AustrianGP 2020 Pre-Race thread

[tifosi1993]

With all due respect, we got lucky with those wins in OZ, that payed in our hands with a bit of luck due to virtual safety cars and what not....otherwise Hamster had those wins in the bag....we did not have a fast dominant car....it was prolly on par or just below compared to Merc...

I guess you have either missed or didn't watch the 2017 Australian/Bahrain GP.
In Australia, Hamilton couldn't build up a gap over Vettel and before his pit stop, the gap was only 0.8 seconds. Ferrari SF70-H was so much faster that Ferrari opted for overcutting Hamilton, and Vettel had no problem coming out ahead during his pitstop and pulled away from Hamilton.

2018 Australian GP, sure Hamilton looked comfortable. But the thing is, even if Vettel got lucky with the virtual safety car, Hamilton was unable to overtake him. And there were plenty of races where Ferrari got unlucky with the Virtual safety car.

Both in 2017 and 2018, Ferrari started strongly. I mean the results are there, anyone can look up.

[tifosi1993]

Complete nonsense from your side....

And on the other side everything is milk and honey for so many previous years...

Well I prefer milk and honey over ***** and garbage. But each to their own I guess.

[stefa]

Well I prefer milk and honey over ***** and garbage. But each to their own I guess.

Yeah plenty of that in last decade....

[chinmay]

I guess you have either missed or didn't watch the 2017 Australian/Bahrain GP.
In Australia, Hamilton couldn't build up a gap over Vettel and before his pit stop, the gap was only 0.8 seconds. Ferrari SF70-H was so much faster that Ferrari opted for overcutting Hamilton, and Vettel had no problem coming out ahead during his pitstop and pulled away from Hamilton.

2018 Australian GP, sure Hamilton looked comfortable. But the thing is, even if Vettel got lucky with the virtual safety car, Hamilton was unable to overtake him. And there were plenty of races where Ferrari got unlucky with the Virtual safety car.

Both in 2017 and 2018, Ferrari started strongly. I mean the results are there, anyone can look up.

Well it looks like you are the one who didn't watch Australian GP in both 2017 and 2018. In 2017, Hamilton pitted and quickly caught up to Verstappen who hadn't pitted. Due to the nature of the track, he was not able to pass Verstappen and was held up badly. That's the one and only reason why Vettel won. Without Verstappen, Vettel would have finished 2nd.

In 2018, as you said Vettel got lucky with the VSC and once again due to the nature of the track, Hamilton couldn't overtake him. Mercedes was a lot faster but track layout is as good or as bad as Monaco, you can't overtake.

[chinmay]

I guess you have either missed or didn't watch the 2017 Australian/Bahrain GP.
In Australia, Hamilton couldn't build up a gap over Vettel and before his pit stop, the gap was only 0.8 seconds. Ferrari SF70-H was so much faster that Ferrari opted for overcutting Hamilton, and Vettel had no problem coming out ahead during his pitstop and pulled away from Hamilton.

2018 Australian GP, sure Hamilton looked comfortable. But the thing is, even if Vettel got lucky with the virtual safety car, Hamilton was unable to overtake him. And there were plenty of races where Ferrari got unlucky with the Virtual safety car.

Both in 2017 and 2018, Ferrari started strongly. I mean the results are there, anyone can look up.

Well it looks like you are the one who didn't watch Australian GP in both 2017 and 2018. In 2017, Hamilton pitted and quickly caught up to Verstappen who hadn't pitted. Due to the nature of the track, he was not able to pass Verstappen and was held up badly. That's the one and only reason why Vettel won. Without Verstappen, Vettel would have finished 2nd.

In 2018, as you said Vettel got lucky with the VSC and once again due to the nature of the track, Hamilton couldn't overtake him. Mercedes was a lot faster but track layout is as good or as bad as Monaco, you can't overtake.

[PURE PASSION]

#AMuS A Ferrari spokesman: "We only have very small changes to the car. It was more important for us to understand the SF1000 better. We have indeed made a good step forward."

The first significant Ferrari update will probably only arrive after the Hungarian GP.

#AMuS Mercedes will have an extensive aerodynamic upgrade at Spielberg. The car we would have seen in Melbourne was from a development status of Christmas 2019. In the meantime, they worked on a lot more things, some of which was processed before and after the work lockout.

In THIS attitude we will never win a championship.
unfartunatly since last year that Binnoto took over ,we look so lost !!!! We built a car that we dont know what can or cant do!!!And we dont do NOTHING to change that!!!

[jgonzalesm6]

[]AMuS]

Red Bull will also have a big upgrade Helmut Marko: "The car in Spielberg will not be identical to the one that we would have seen in Melbourne. We brought the upgrade to the car that was scheduled for the fifth race in Barcelona and a second one now for Spielberg."

Helmut Marko: "Everything is based on CFD and wind tunnel data. There is a certain amount of uncertainty. You use the third development step without knowing how the first and second update would have felt in practice. We have to assume the data is accurate."


Mercedes will have an extensive aerodynamic upgrade at Spielberg. The car we would have seen in Melbourne was from a development status of Christmas 2019. In the meantime, they worked on a lot more things, some of which was processed before and after the work lockout.

Reports from Italy about Ferrari coming to Spielberg with a big update that includes a slimmer front wing, new gearbox, a new rear axle and 30 HP more from the engine are false.

A Ferrari spokesman: "We only have very small changes to the car. It was more important for us to understand the SF1000 better. We have indeed made a good step forward." The first significant Ferrari update will probably only arrive after the Hungarian GP.

Ferrari with smaller changes, while Mercedes and Red Bull to introduce bigger update packages. It will be interesting to see how the pecking order appears - Is it Mercedes, Red Bull, Racing Point and Ferrari or is it slightly different with Red Bull ahead. We'll find out soon.

Small upgrades from Alfa Romeo and McLaren for Spielberg. Despite the short time, Alfa Romeo even made the changes that were in the development schedule for the races in Austria and England.

Racing Point already had a big upgrade for Melbourne and won't bring another one for Spielberg. Alpha Tauri also made some small changes and those were already seen during the filming day in Imola. Only Haas will drive with the Melbourne spec (without changes) in Spielberg.

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/...rari-red-bull/

[PURE PASSION]

[]AMuS]

Red Bull will also have a big upgrade Helmut Marko: "The car in Spielberg will not be identical to the one that we would have seen in Melbourne. We brought the upgrade to the car that was scheduled for the fifth race in Barcelona and a second one now for Spielberg."
So AMuS has for granted that we are 4th behind even RP !!!!!!!! To us it looks like a joke, but I'm afraid that we might be that much disappointed!!

Helmut Marko: "Everything is based on CFD and wind tunnel data. There is a certain amount of uncertainty. You use the third development step without knowing how the first and second update would have felt in practice. We have to assume the data is accurate."


Mercedes will have an extensive aerodynamic upgrade at Spielberg. The car we would have seen in Melbourne was from a development status of Christmas 2019. In the meantime, they worked on a lot more things, some of which was processed before and after the work lockout.

Reports from Italy about Ferrari coming to Spielberg with a big update that includes a slimmer front wing, new gearbox, a new rear axle and 30 HP more from the engine are false.

A Ferrari spokesman: "We only have very small changes to the car. It was more important for us to understand the SF1000 better. We have indeed made a good step forward." The first significant Ferrari update will probably only arrive after the Hungarian GP.

Ferrari with smaller changes, while Mercedes and Red Bull to introduce bigger update packages. It will be interesting to see how the pecking order appears - Is it Mercedes, Red Bull, Racing Point and Ferrari or is it slightly different with Red Bull ahead. We'll find out soon.

Small upgrades from Alfa Romeo and McLaren for Spielberg. Despite the short time, Alfa Romeo even made the changes that were in the development schedule for the races in Austria and England.

Racing Point already had a big upgrade for Melbourne and won't bring another one for Spielberg. Alpha Tauri also made some small changes and those were already seen during the filming day in Imola. Only Haas will drive with the Melbourne spec (without changes) in Spielberg.

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/...rari-red-bull/

So AMuS assumet that we are 4th,behind even RP!!!!??
Now this may seems like a joke to us,BUT im afraid we might be THAT dissapointed !!!!

[FerrariF60]

Well it looks like you are the one who didn't watch Australian GP in both 2017 and 2018. In 2017, Hamilton pitted and quickly caught up to Verstappen who hadn't pitted. Due to the nature of the track, he was not able to pass Verstappen and was held up badly. That's the one and only reason why Vettel won. Without Verstappen, Vettel would have finished 2nd.

In 2018, as you said Vettel got lucky with the VSC and once again due to the nature of the track, Hamilton couldn't overtake him. Mercedes was a lot faster but track layout is as good or as bad as Monaco, you can't overtake.

So I knew I was right about 2017 that we did NOT win on merit and that Hamster got held up by Max...hence handing over the win to a slower Ferrari,,,,,but I guess tifosi1993 was smoking something really good that day......lol

[jgonzalesm6]

So AMuS assumet that we are 4th,behind even RP!!!!??
Now this may seems like a joke to us,BUT im afraid we might be THAT dissapointed !!!!

yeah, let's just wait and see how things pan out in these next few races. I expect to be 3rd.

[FerrariF60]

yeah, let's just wait and see how things pan out in these next few races. I expect to be 3rd.

i've stopped getting my hopes up LONG AGO....everytime i do Ferrari sure disappoints me big time....so i've learned to bring my hopes way down, and if by some miracle Ferrari surprises us....well, that is a nice treat.....

the way we all thought that last year's Singapore would be a really bad weekend for us, Ferrari have brought some minor updates, and BOOM....pole position

so we'll have to wait and see.....time will tell after 2-3 races where we stack up against Merc, the Fools....etc

[wisepie]

yeah, let's just wait and see how things pan out in these next few races. I expect to be 3rd.

I'm with you on that but afraid we may be even lower, pessimistic I know but we've been here before and if we are able to spring a surprise, it would mean so much for us and F1 in general. I'd love to be optimistic but history repeats itself too often!

[paolo lalli]

The pressure is on Ferrari to deliver a champion ship winning car to it's drivers.The trophy cabinet requires new additions urgently the existing are out dated and dusty.The Ferrari drivers are limited to what they can achieve so I do not see pressure on the drivers but firmly at the door of Ferrari.The speculation regarding updates is annoying in one breath yes updates etc and second breath no real up dates.This back ward and forward responses tells me that BINOTTO does not have the immediate confidence.First two races will determine weather his glasses start to fog up.Binotto is 100% under the pump and not our drivers.

[tifosi1993]

Well it looks like you are the one who didn't watch Australian GP in both 2017 and 2018. In 2017, Hamilton pitted and quickly caught up to Verstappen who hadn't pitted. Due to the nature of the track, he was not able to pass Verstappen and was held up badly. That's the one and only reason why Vettel won. Without Verstappen, Vettel would have finished 2nd

And as ever, you're just parroting your usual nonsense. As I have said, the data is there, anyone can look up. But I guess some people here just too lazy or have some kind of weird fetish of bashing/downplaying Ferrari. Here's the lap chart:
http://en.mclarenf-1.com/index.php?p...wis%20Hamilton

Anyone with a functioning neuron cells can see it quite clearly. From lap 1-5 the gap was 1.122 seconds, on lap 13, the gap between Ham and Vet was 1.873 seconds, on lap 16 the gap was 1.322 seconds and on lap 17, the lap Hamilton pitted, Vettel was only 0.899 seconds behind.
Mercedes HAD to pit Hamilton first, because he couldn't get away from Vettel and they had no choice but to go for the undercut. And even Hamilton's first lap on fresh rubbers wasn't earth shattering, a 1m27.551, compared to Vettel's 1m28.118 on 19 laps older tyres.

The mere fact that, Vettel could keep up with Hamilton and closed the gap when needed, a pretty clear indication of SF70's race pace advantage over Hamilton's Mercedes. And what's more, Vettel pitted on lap 22, 5 laps later than Hamilton, and his fastest lap was 1m26.638 on lap 53, compared to Hamilton's 1m27.033 on lap 44. Another clear indication of SF70's great tyre wear, and that Vettel could've gone faster and had plenty of times left in his pocket.

[tifosi1993]

So I knew I was right about 2017 that we did NOT win on merit and that Hamster got held up by Max...hence handing over the win to a slower Ferrari,,,,,but I guess tifosi1993 was smoking something really good that day......lol

Yeah...lol...Lmao....that's all there in your post. But hay at least you know when/how to use them, so bravo.

And it's pretty clear, to me at least, that you actually never watched that race. The reason Ham got held up by Max is quite simple, that Hamilton was complaining about his tyres and Mercedes had no choice but to pit him first and go for the undecut, bedause Vettel was getting quite intimating with Hamilton's gearbox and the gap was merely 8 tenths of a second.

But sure it was just pure luck, the race pace of SF70's had nothing to do with it.

[FerrariF60]

Yeah...lol...Lmao....that's all there in your post. But hay at least you know when/how to use them, so bravo.

And it's pretty clear, to me at least, that you actually never watched that race. The reason Ham got held up by Max is quite simple, that Hamilton was complaining about his tyres and Mercedes had no choice but to pit him first and go for the undecut, bedause Vettel was getting quite intimating with Hamilton's gearbox and the gap was merely 8 tenths of a second.

But sure it was just pure luck, the race pace of SF70's had nothing to do with it.

.....You keep smoking that doobie bud.....it may go to your brain eventually, after all weed is a good therapy....lmao

[tifosi1993]

.....You keep smoking that doobie bud.....it may go to your brain eventually, after all weed is a good therapy....lmao

Well too much smoking is never good, and you're the prime example. It clearly killed off all those neurons in your brain cells.
So keep on smoking dopes and keep on bashing Vettel, or Ferrari or its cars or whatever.

[chinmay]

And as ever, you're just parroting your usual nonsense. As I have said, the data is there, anyone can look up. But I guess some people here just too lazy or have some kind of weird fetish of bashing/downplaying Ferrari. Here's the lap chart:
http://en.mclarenf-1.com/index.php?p...wis%20Hamilton

Anyone with a functioning neuron cells can see it quite clearly. From lap 1-5 the gap was 1.122 seconds, on lap 13, the gap between Ham and Vet was 1.873 seconds, on lap 16 the gap was 1.322 seconds and on lap 17, the lap Hamilton pitted, Vettel was only 0.899 seconds behind.
Mercedes HAD to pit Hamilton first, because he couldn't get away from Vettel and they had no choice but to go for the undercut. And even Hamilton's first lap on fresh rubbers wasn't earth shattering, a 1m27.551, compared to Vettel's 1m28.118 on 19 laps older tyres.

The mere fact that, Vettel could keep up with Hamilton and closed the gap when needed, a pretty clear indication of SF70's race pace advantage over Hamilton's Mercedes. And what's more, Vettel pitted on lap 22, 5 laps later than Hamilton, and his fastest lap was 1m26.638 on lap 53, compared to Hamilton's 1m27.033 on lap 44. Another clear indication of SF70's great tyre wear, and that Vettel could've gone faster and had plenty of times left in his pocket.

You have posted irrelevant laptimes, now let me post some data which actually matters.

Hamilton pitted on lap 17, a couple of laptimes before his pit and a few after that

Lap 15 - 1:28.494
Lap 16 - 1:28.438
Lap 17 - PIT
Lap 18 - 1:33.568
Lap 19 - 1:27.551
Lap 20 - 1:28.473
Lap 21 - 1:28.981
Lap 22 - 1:29.879
Lap 23 - 1:29.457
Lap 24 - 1:31.474
Lap 25 - 1:30.306

After his pit stop, he was putting in slower lap times than he was doing before. That happened because he was held up by Verstappen. Let's look at Verstappen's data.

Lap 18 - 1:29.159
Lap 19 - 1:28.833
Lap 20 - 1:29.043
Lap 21 - 1:29.380
Lap 22 - 1:29.834
Lap 23 - 1:29.456
Lap 24 - 1:31.016

Verstappen pitted on Lap 25, let's look at Hamilton's data from Lap 26.

Lap 26 - 1:27.952
Lap 27 - 1:27.834
Lap 28 - 1:27.846
Lap 29 - 1:27.813

He gained 2 seconds per lap after Verstappen pitted. Hamilton was held up for SIX LAPS behind Verstappen. And Vettel after his pits came out barely ahead of Hamilton. So conclusion - Vettel won because Hamilton was stuck behind Verstappen. Without Verstappen, Hamilton would be cruising to victory.

[tifosi1993]

...........

Lap 16: Vettel's closing in on Ham



Lap 17: Vettel less than a second behind and will have DRS


Lap 17: But Hamilton ducks into the pitlane, Ferrari goes for the overcut with Vettel


Lap 24: And it works and Vettel comes out ahead of Hamilton


Now Mercedes knew beforehand that Hamilton would come out behind Max. But they had no choice but go for the undercut.
The entire opening stint Hamilton couldn't open a gap and on lap 17 Vettel was on DRS range.

"Without Verstappen, Hamilton would be cruising to victory"...yeah right, as if he was cruising before the pit-stops. And I can play this game as well. I'd say even if Hamilton cleared Max, Vettel would've still closed the gap after taking his pitstops, and having fresher rubber and less fuel load towards the end, he would've overtaken Hamilton, Since he clearly had pace advantage. See, it's quite easy to play this game, and quite easy to come up with all sorts of different scenarios.

[FerrariF60]

Well too much smoking is never good, and you're the prime example. It clearly killed off all those neurons in your brain cells.
So keep on smoking dopes and keep on bashing Vettel, or Ferrari or its cars or whatever.

For your info, I don’t do any of that stuff....you in the other hand, I’ve got my doubts
I bash Ferrari like any other fan that keeps being let down year over year by a team with DEEP pockets that can’t build a winning car for the past 12+ years...clearly shows that ever since unlimited testing that got banned in 2009 has affected them greatly compar3d with the likes of red fools and Merc

Gone are the days when they used to lap around Fiorano for days on end setting up the car and trying new updates real-time as opposed to relying on wind tunnel which they keep blaming ever since

As for Vettel, we’ll hes a lost cause....his days in F1 are pretty much over....without a Newey designed blown diffuser rocket all he does is practicing pirouettes on a million dollar machinery....sad but also true

[FerrariF60]

Lap 16: Vettel's closing in on Ham
https://lensdump.com/i/jnCr0Q
https://lensdump.com/i/jnCr0Qhttps://i1.lensdump.com/i/jnCr0Q.jpg

Lap 17: Vettel less than a second behind and will have DRS
https://i1.lensdump.com/i/jnCtqa.jpg

Lap 17: But Hamilton ducks into the pitlane, Ferrari goes for the overcut with Vettel
https://i1.lensdump.com/i/jnCIpA.jpg

Lap 24: And it works and Vettel comes out ahead of Hamilton
https://i1.lensdump.com/i/jnCZfM.jpg

Now Mercedes knew beforehand that Hamilton would come out behind Max. But they had no choice but go for the undercut.
The entire opening stint Hamilton couldn't open a gap and on lap 17 Vettel was on DRS range.

"Without Verstappen, Hamilton would be cruising to victory"...yeah right, as if he was cruising before the pit-stops. And I can play this game as well. I'd say even if Hamilton cleared Max, Vettel would've still closed the gap after taking his pitstops, and having fresher rubber and less fuel load towards the end, he would've overtaken Hamilton, Since he clearly had pace advantage. See, it's quite easy to play this game, and quite easy to come up with all sorts of different scenarios.

Like Hamilton overtook Verstapen??? Or lack of overtaking with the pace advantage he had over the red bull....it’s hard to pass on that track....but if Max wouldn’t have been in front of Hamster slowing him down Vettel would have NOT won that race....but that is just my opinion....you clearly have yours set differently

[tifosi1993]

Like Hamilton overtook Verstapen??? Or lack of overtaking with the pace advantage he had over the red bull....it’s hard to pass on that track....but if Max wouldn’t have been in front of Hamster slowing him down Vettel would have NOT won that race....but that is just my opinion....you clearly have yours set differently

Again, I'm not interested in "if", "but", "should", "could" etc..etc...

Let me simplify my argument: do you seriously believe that, if Hamilton had clear pace advantage over Vettel, he would've gone for the risky undercut while knowing quite well that he would not be clearing Verstappen during his pit-stop?
If he was actually leading that race with clear margin, like 5-15 seconds margin, he would've only mirrored Vettel's pitstops and gone for the overcut. But that's not the case here.

It doesn't matter what Hamilton could've/would've done if he had overtaken Max. The quite simple fact is, Ferrari and Vettel forced Hamilton and Mercedes to go for the risky undercut, luck had nothing to do with it. Vettel was on DRS range and the gap was 0.8 seconds, quite clearly demonstrating that Hamilton never had any pace advantage over Vettel. It was Vettel-Ferrari who've had the race pace advantage over Hamilton-Mercedes.

Vettel fanboy's like chinmay have only one agenda: it's to parrot over and over again the false picture of Vettel being the "da best" and Ferrari cars being "da crap".

[stefa]

Just asking, without intent to insult anyone, is all this what has happen 3 years ago really that important, when we all know that LH and Mercedes won WDC and CWC at the end?!

[FerrariF60]

Again, I'm not interested in "if", "but", "should", "could" etc..etc...

Let me simplify my argument: do you seriously believe that, if Hamilton had clear pace advantage over Vettel, he would've gone for the risky undercut while knowing quite well that he would not be clearing Verstappen during his pit-stop?
If he was actually leading that race with clear margin, like 5-15 seconds margin, he would've only mirrored Vettel's pitstops and gone for the overcut. But that's not the case here.

It doesn't matter what Hamilton could've/would've done if he had overtaken Max. The quite simple fact is, Ferrari and Vettel forced Hamilton and Mercedes to go for the risky undercut, luck had nothing to do with it. Vettel was on DRS range and the gap was 0.8 seconds, quite clearly demonstrating that Hamilton never had any pace advantage over Vettel. It was Vettel-Ferrari who've had the race pace advantage over Hamilton-Mercedes.

Vettel fanboy's like chinmay have only one agenda: it's to parrot over and over again the false picture of Vettel being the "da best" and Ferrari cars being "da crap".

Well that’s chinmay’s problem if he is a Vettel fanboy.....well we all know he is....I’m personally a Ferrari fan first and foremost, for me drivers come and go and only the best ones stick in my mind....the ones that actually drive around a car that is NOT perfect....(cars that are rockets from the likes of the designer Newey) and these are the likes of Schumacher, Alonso....just to name a couple...for me WCC if far more important then the WDC

Vettel on the other hand, if the car is not near perfect he’s nowhere, he can’t adjust and drive around a car with some issues like the drivers I’ve mentioned above

[chinmay]

Lap 16: Vettel's closing in on Ham
https://lensdump.com/i/jnCr0Q
https://lensdump.com/i/jnCr0Qhttps://i1.lensdump.com/i/jnCr0Q.jpg

Lap 17: Vettel less than a second behind and will have DRS
https://i1.lensdump.com/i/jnCtqa.jpg

Lap 17: But Hamilton ducks into the pitlane, Ferrari goes for the overcut with Vettel
https://i1.lensdump.com/i/jnCIpA.jpg

Lap 24: And it works and Vettel comes out ahead of Hamilton
https://i1.lensdump.com/i/jnCZfM.jpg

Now Mercedes knew beforehand that Hamilton would come out behind Max. But they had no choice but go for the undercut.
The entire opening stint Hamilton couldn't open a gap and on lap 17 Vettel was on DRS range.

"Without Verstappen, Hamilton would be cruising to victory"...yeah right, as if he was cruising before the pit-stops. And I can play this game as well. I'd say even if Hamilton cleared Max, Vettel would've still closed the gap after taking his pitstops, and having fresher rubber and less fuel load towards the end, he would've overtaken Hamilton, Since he clearly had pace advantage. See, it's quite easy to play this game, and quite easy to come up with all sorts of different scenarios.

You are simply adding visual touch to what I wrote. Tell me one thing, would Vettel win the race if there was no Verstappen in between? Yes or No.

Christian Horner, post-race:

Congratulations to Sebastian, I think he owes us a beer.

[FerrariF60]

You are simply adding visual touch to what I wrote. Tell me one thing, would Vettel win the race if there was no Verstappen in between? Yes or No.

Christian Horner, post-race:

Tifoso1993.....is thT the yeR you were born??? Anyways leave him alone chinmay, he’s got the beer goggles ON......lolhe sees everything pink when it comes to Vettel.....

I absolute love when Ferrari wins a race.....and I go ballistic when it wins it on merit and dominates the race from start to finish....OZ 2017 mate, it wasn’t the case, we got lucky.....hey I’ll take it, a wins a win....but it tastes so much better when we win on merit and NOT with a bit of luck, which in this case we honed in on some

[PURE PASSION]

AS Stefa said, stop arguing gor what happened 3 years ago!!!!
The truth is somewhere between. Yes Vet actualy won just because Ves hold up Ham for 3 laps ,just enough for Vet to end up infront after his pit stop!!! If Ham had clear track in front of him after his pit stop,there was no way foe Vet to be faster with old tires then Ham with new ones!!!!!! Thats it end of story!!!!!
On the other hand what tifosi must want to say is that in race pace at Aus gp at 2017 we where on the same pace as Mercs and propably a little bit faster!!!Thats what the 1st stint show us where Vet could easily stay about 2 secs behind Ham and before the pit stops was even faster!!!! And on the other hand after when the order change after the pit stops, Ham couldnt realy keep up with Vets pace. Some said that he lift up ,but even if he did,he did it just because he couldnt push enough to put pressure on Vet.IF he had better pace then Vet ,we would see him stick behind Vet for some laps and then bacause its defficult to overtake at Melbourne,to lift to save the engine etc.BUT we never saw that thats why i trully nelieve that Vet was a bit faster in that race !!!!!

[paolo lalli]

Move forward Ferrari fans looking backwards will only give you a sore neck.

[Cevertmyhero]

As much as we are all looking forward to the first race, I fear it is going to be a bloodbath. The Mercs are further ahead than ever and at very very best we will be fighting with RBR.

[Tony]

As much as we are all looking forward to the first race, I fear it is going to be a bloodbath. The Mercs are further ahead than ever and at very very best we will be fighting with RBR.

I agree that the Mercs are farther ahead... the good news though, is that this is a shortened season, so it will go by quickly at least!