2024 British Grand Prix - Race Thread

[Lesky]

Hamilton won the race when he overtook Russell 2 seconds before DRS in deactivated and got priority at the pit stops. Of course McLaren shafted both Lando and Piastri as well.

Unreal how Mercedes has leapfrogged by this giant margin!

[PURE PASSION]

Bozzi started off well but now it looks that he has the same attitude as his predecessor.

The WHOLE team is like that. From mid last season it looked like we are finally on a good path.We where slowly start putting this together and almost everything had meaning . What happened from Imola onwards is something that really cant comprehend. From then on everything start collapsing in all aspects!!

[GoodtimesF1]

I have no idea why some of you guys think Leclerc is championship caliber.

He's not scored on pure pace back to back now. If you think that kid can win a title, god bless you. I wish I could be that delusional.

Respectable race from Sainz. It is what it is.

I think most of us agree that Leclerc is a fast driver but I never understood the "future champion" talk and hype. He can get poles and wins in the right conditions but I can't remember the last time he was special. Sorry to say it but that is just how I feel. Would normally not even post my opinion like that but the constant down talking of Sainz when he has a bad race pushes me to do so.

I mean, Charles is in the car and should know when to come in for inters and when to stay out. That is the difference between him and Sainz. Sainz has more confidence in what strategy to use and will tell the pit crew when he disagree's. Next year is going to be a disaster.

[tifosi1993]

He is good. But these decisions they make are just so stupid. I don't understand, how people who call themselves professionals and earn tons of money can't make the simpliest decisions correctly. The mediums choice was so obvious...

Norris so far have bottled wins in Imola, Canada, Austria and now his hope GP. But somehow he's doing "extraordinary" things with the McLaren, well according to the British media anyway. Piastri on the other hand, still can't get his race pace in order.

[tifosi1993]

They should've stuck with the Barcelona-spec, even with the bouncing, it would've been faster than the Imola-spec, as already proven in Barcelona.

[PURE PASSION]

It's painful, but I've started to notice it for some time, the best drivers find a way to a good result even when the weekend isn't going well...

Its different when a good driver ina good team have 1-2 bad weekends and different the complete opposite pthat Lec is facing in Ferrari. Max-Ham would have gone from the team after 2-3years. Thats the sad truth. Or Ham hadn't done anything special for 3 years simply because Merc was on the downfall. Max the same up untill 21 . If you have a team that underperforms and looses its path without knowing how to react , no driver can perform .

[Kyss4k]

Norris so far have bottled wins in Imola, Canada, Austria and now his hope GP. But somehow he's doing "extraordinary" things with the McLaren, well according to the British media anyway. Piastri on the other hand, still can't get his race pace in order.

True. And the same can be told about Charles. He (and I believed that myself) is held as a super talent yet he is just super mediocre most of the time these days and again this race. He was unable to overtake Stroll out of all people, then his pace on damp track was horrendous (he lost 10 seconds to Sainz in 2 laps) to an extent he had to pit for inters which didn't work out, but he and only he got himself into that position. What is that guys doing? He was so great at the start of 2022 and before...

[tifosi1993]

True. And the same can be told about Charles. He (and I believed that myself) is held as a super talent yet he is just super mediocre most of the time these days and again this race. He was unable to overtake Stroll out of all people, then his pace on damp track was horrendous (he lost 10 seconds to Sainz in 2 laps) to an extent he had to pit for inters which didn't work out, but he and only he got himself into that position. What is that guys doing? He was so great at the start of 2022 and before...

Well, Charles is ahead of Sainz in every metric, whether it's qualifying head-head or race head-head. Whether it's poles, wins or podiums as Ferrari driver. I'm not going to ignore what he had done when he had the car. One or two or three bad races not going to change my opinion on him.
Bahrain-2019, Singapore-2019, Russia-2019, Spain-2022, Baku-2022, Monaco-2022, Canada-2022, Uk-2022, Hungary-2022...all those victories he had lost because of Ferrari. Sainz never had such misfortunes, simply cause he was never in that position to begin with.

[rakman]

Its different when a good driver ina good team have 1-2 bad weekends and different the complete opposite pthat Lec is facing in Ferrari. Max-Ham would have gone from the team after 2-3years. Thats the sad truth. Or Ham hadn't done anything special for 3 years simply because Merc was on the downfall. Max the same up untill 21 . If you have a team that underperforms and looses its path without knowing how to react , no driver can perform .

It's obvious that Ferrari is letting its drivers down, but Lec should know that it's too early for an inters. He is the one driving, not the engineer, and he should provide feedback, just like the rest of the top 5. Perez's situation was different because he was driving far beyond the points and they could afford to take the risk...

[PURE PASSION]

I think most of us agree that Leclerc is a fast driver but I never understood the "future champion" talk and hype. He can get poles and wins in the right conditions but I can't remember the last time he was special. Sorry to say it but that is just how I feel. Would normally not even post my opinion like that but the constant down talking of Sainz when he has a bad race pushes me to do so.

I mean, Charles is in the car and should now when to come in for inters and when to stay out. That is the difference between him and Sainz. Sainz has more confidence in what strategy to use and will tell the pit crew when he disagree's. Next year is going to be a disaster.

Its not that they asked him and he said ,yes its for inters. They took a gamble that they could " catch" the rain earlier then others and that would give him an advantage. BUT that never happened. This has nothing to do with his "ability" to " read" the track. The only bad thing that Lec has ( personally i like it) is that he depends 100% on the team. BUT the way i see it is that the only drivers who demands a lot and out loud from their teams ,are Max and Sainz. And they both have a very large team to support them from their fathers to a whole nation . Max has even Heinneken who is title sponsor of the whole sport. So they know the can say /act how they want because someone has their backs covered.
But i dont judge so much a driver if he can have 2-3 good races apor good calls when things are bad ,but when we finally can have a competitive car in all races, in witch can we rely to deliver the top performance to win.
And there for me 110% its Lec over Sainz. And even over every oyher driver on the field.

[Forever_Ferrari]

They should've stuck with the Barcelona-spec, even with the bouncing, it would've been faster than the Imola-spec, as already proven in Barcelona.

good in hindsight but Slverstone is the cirquit to find out the answer to that , they will have Data and knowledge that we will never have as fans

[Kyss4k]

Well, Charles is ahead of Sainz in every metric, whether it's qualifying head-head or race head-head. Whether it's poles, wins or podiums as Ferrari driver. I'm not going to ignore what he had done when he had the car. One or two or three bad races not going to change my opinion on him.
Bahrain-2019, Singapore-2019, Russia-2019, Spain-2022, Baku-2022, Monaco-2022, Canada-2022, Uk-2022, Hungary-2022...all those victories he had lost because of Ferrari. Sainz never had such misfortunes, simply cause he was never in that position to begin with.

Well he sucks these days. Sorry

[PURE PASSION]

It's obvious that Ferrari is letting its drivers down, but Lec should know that it's too early for an inters. He is the one driving, not the engineer, and he should provide feedback, just like the rest of the top 5. Perez's situation was different because he was driving far beyond the points and they could afford to take the risk...

Again we are taking about a decision to "catch " the rain earlier a lap or 2 . If the rain had started earlier and stronger then he would have huge advantage. It was a risk that failed. BUT it was not a decision of the driver to give his feedback of the track at that exact time. We would talk about it if it was the opposite and they had to switch from inters to slicks in a damp track. There is the driver feedback that makes the difference. To read when is the best time to switch to dry.

[Toothlessrage*]

Well he sucks these days. Sorry

C'mon, one of the top 3 quickest drivers on the grid - THAT slow?

There has to be a reason:

- Either there must've been an issue with the car.

- Or, both Sainz and Leclerc were on different setups.

There's noway Leclerc is that slow. Talent isn't something that you can loose, friend.

[Kyss4k]

Again we are taking about a decision to "catch " the rain earlier a lap or 2 . If the rain had started earlier and stronger then he would have huge advantage. It was a risk that failed. BUT it was not a decision of the driver to give his feedback of the track at that exact time. We would talk about it if it was the opposite and they had to switch from inters to slicks in a damp track. There is the driver feedback that makes the difference. To read when is the best time to switch to dry.

He had to pit because his tyres were gone. That was his own doing. The race was already over by that point. So they tried inters.

[PURE PASSION]

Well he sucks these days. Sorry

I know how you feel, im disappointed from some of his performances. But right now the priority is the bad image of the team. When they are in such mess i dont know how much there to them also Lec bad performance. What they testing in FPs ,how they set the car , if they trying something extreme with Lec (like the strategy ). All these are debatable right now. So yes im a bit disappointed from him ,but i wait if /when the team provides him a stable /competitive environment and if still then he continues to makes mistakes and underperforms, then i will change my mind about him.

[Kyss4k]

C'mon, one of the top 3 quickest drivers on the grid - THAT slow?

There has to be a reason:

- Either there must've been an issue with the car.

- Or, both Sainz and Leclerc were on different setups.

There's noway Leclerc is that slow. Talent isn't something that you can loose, friend.

It's not just this race mate. He is not beating Carlos the last races and when he beats him, it's by a small margin. Sainz is catching up big time, he is just 3 points behind Charles now. And I am sorry but I don't rate Sainz as an absolute top driver. So what does that say about Charles? He has so many off days, so much more than other than other top guys... I don't know if there'S something wrong with him, but he is not a top material these days.

[racingbradley]

Charles I feel needs to be more demanding and when he knows he needs to pit and take on a different compound tyre. He should be more assertive and not accept what the team decides. All the successful drivers do/done that aka Lewis, Max, Seb, Nando & Michael.

[PURE PASSION]

He had to pit because his tyres were gone. That was his own doing. The race was already over by that point. So they tried inters.

I dont believe it was that case. And again,when he hasn't run this configuration up untill FP3 because the team are experimenting, i don't believe that he couldn't pass Stroll or if he destroyed the tires , out of his driving alone. The car for him simply wasn't there all weekend, because they use the weekend for experimentation.

[Kyss4k]

Charles I feel needs to be more demanding and when he knows he needs to pit and take on a different compound tyre. He should be more assertive and not accept what the team decides. All the successful drivers do/done that aka Lewis, Max, Seb, Nando & Michael.

That too. It's like he doesn't believe in himself much lately. But why did he even had the need to pit so early today? Why was he so slow on slicks on damp track? Did he really destroy the tyres? If so, why Hulk didn't do it too and was happy to continue with a good pace? In the HAAS. He was simply terrible today.

[paolo lalli]

Charles is his own worst enemy and he is defining his career with that metric.I question his ability under adverse times.Ferrari are in a world of pain at the moment and having a wavering driver does no good to the cause gives up easily. SAINZ is pushing through and has Charles measure.Look at merc tough times both drivers hung in there drove there car to the limit worked with what they had stayed positive got through it with the team and now back to back victories.There errors were very few Charles is the opposite. SAINZ is of the same cloth,that's why merc are interested in him he fits there model.Charles has to zip it focus and gather some mentle resolve his career depends on it.If he does not change Hamilton will have a field day with him.George can handle lewis the question now is can Charles.He is struggling with sainz and he is mild compared to lewis will be interesting .Charles can start swimming or he will sink.

[rakman]

Again we are taking about a decision to "catch " the rain earlier a lap or 2 . If the rain had started earlier and stronger then he would have huge advantage. It was a risk that failed. BUT it was not a decision of the driver to give his feedback of the track at that exact time. We would talk about it if it was the opposite and they had to switch from inters to slicks in a damp track. There is the driver feedback that makes the difference. To read when is the best time to switch to dry.

If it was one or two laps too early, I could agree with you, go back to the race and see how many laps Lec did on the inters before the conditions became suitable. As a fan for decades, I was sitting in front of the TV and screaming with anger because I knew it was too early, i'm sure I wasn't the only one... It doesn't give a good impression of driver/team combo.

[jgonzalesm6]

Why isn't Hulk experiencing porpoising? He finished behind Sainz(P5).

[ntukza]

Crofty, Brundle and Krapitz make me sick. Who can listen to this garbage .

You, evidently.

[PURE PASSION]

Charles is his own worst enemy and he is defining his career with that metric.I question his ability under adverse times.Ferrari are in a world of pain at the moment and having a wavering driver does no good to the cause gives up easily. SAINZ is pushing through and has Charles measure.Look at merc tough times both drivers hung in there drove there car to the limit worked with what they had stayed positive got through it with the team and now back to back victories.There errors were very few Charles is the opposite. SAINZ is of the same cloth,that's why merc are interested in him he fits there model.Charles has to zip it focus and gather some mentle resolve his career depends on it.If he does not change Hamilton will have a field day with him.George can handle lewis the question now is can Charles.He is struggling with sainz and he is mild compared to lewis will be interesting .Charles can start swimming or he will sink.

For me , my only interest is team to pull their s.. together and provide a winning car to the drivers. Then I don't care much who wins. I like Lec very much from what he has saw us since F2. Now if for 1 reason or another he has lost it in the way, and Ham outperforms him ,then i will be sad for a little for him but its his fault and will cheer for Ham to take the wins. Now i can never say that with Sainz -Lec because there where only a handful of races where Sainz was superior to Lec and many many others the opposite. Sainz like doing a goodish job and if something happens to the front or his teammate, then just this makes him look better then he is.
As i said again and again, i dont care if Sai and up 4th in the championship and Lec 5th or lower. It literally means nothing to me. What i care and saw is the when we had a winning car the 1st half of 2022, and where fighting for wins on pure pace, then Lec was the undisputed better/faster driver by far. Only the team itself manipulate things to make Sainz look good , either wise we would see what we see now with Max-Per.

[ntukza]

Its not that they asked him and he said ,yes its for inters. They took a gamble that they could " catch" the rain earlier then others and that would give him an advantage. BUT that never happened. This has nothing to do with his "ability" to " read" the track. The only bad thing that Lec has ( personally i like it) is that he depends 100% on the team. BUT the way i see it is that the only drivers who demands a lot and out loud from their teams ,are Max and Sainz. And they both have a very large team to support them from their fathers to a whole nation . Max has even Heinneken who is title sponsor of the whole sport. So they know the can say /act how they want because someone has their backs covered.
But i dont judge so much a driver if he can have 2-3 good races apor good calls when things are bad ,but when we finally can have a competitive car in all races, in witch can we rely to deliver the top performance to win.
And there for me 110% its Lec over Sainz. And even over every oyher driver on the field.

Name one champion who depends 100% on the team?

[jgonzalesm6]

Constructors standings:

RED BULL 373
FERRARI 302
MCLAREN 295
MERCEDES 221
ASTON MARTIN 86
RB 31
HAAS 27
ALPINE 9
WILLIAMS 4
SAUBER 0




Drivers standings:

Max Verstappen 255
Lando Norris 171
Charles Leclerc 150
Carlos Sainz 146
Oscar Piastri 124
Sergio Perez 118
George Russell 111
Lewis Hamilton 110
Fernando Alonso 45
Lance Stroll 23

[PURE PASSION]

If it was one or two laps too early, I could agree with you, go back to the race and see how many laps Lec did on the inters before the conditions became suitable. As a fan for decades, I was sitting in front of the TV and screaming with anger because I knew it was too early, i'm sure I wasn't the only one... It doesn't give a good impression of driver/team combo.

Since they took the catastrophic decision to pit for inters and the rain didn't come , they where committed to this mistake all the way because every else could be ever worse. The rain was almost certainly there, it was just a matter of minutes.So yes the laps where passing and he ( like Perez) was destroying his tires but to do what? Pit for slicks for 2-3-4 laps to again pit for inters ? From then on it was a lost cause.

[ntukza]

I'm am growing increasingly disillusioned about Leclerc. He's my favourite driver and I believe he's very talented but I'm starting to doubt that he is championship material.

Congrats to Lewis. For the first time since his rookie season I'm genuinely happy for him winning a race. It totally sucks that he's coming to this mediocre team when he's spent most of his career in a top class highly organised and effective team.

[PURE PASSION]

Name one champion who depends 100% on the team?

Ham.How many times has he made a pit just then to hear him on the radio arguing with Bono for that decision? Many many times. But on the other hand there where so many years that the team( run) on its finest and where winning everything so they all looked the best. But for me there where not a lot of times that Ham took matters on his own hands and did the opposite/different that Bono told him.

P.S that's why I said that it's the only BAD thing on him.