2024 Austrian Grand Prix- Practice, Sprint & Qualifying.

**racingbradley** · 28th June 2024, 15:48

I missed the sprint quali but it seems to have been the one to miss!!!!!
Oh to be the fly on the wall in that Ferrari garage behind closed doors. I think Charles has run out of patience and the honeymoon with Bozzi is over.
Let's hope they field a very fast car to-morrow.

**Kyss4k** · 28th June 2024, 15:56

Originally Posted by RossTheBoss

What's the "we" stuff? None of us work for Ferrari.

Development issues, bad strategy, and poor race execution could all be understood. Mercedes has all of that right now, in case you haven't noticed.

Binotto's problem was scolding his driver in public, getting caught cheating, and walking away from the pit wall when the strategy backfired, and deserting his team at their lowest points. That's what's was unforgivable about Binotto, and why he had to go.

No Binotto's problem was the team didn't work. Just as it doesn't work now. We believed in him at the beginning as well before it went down the hill. And what's happening last 3 races really reminds me those times.

And if you don't get that "we" stuff, you are not real Ferrari fan as you would know, that even though we don't work for team, we live Ferrari.

**jgonzalesm6** · 28th June 2024, 15:57

Originally Posted by tifosi1993

Yeah, cause Stroll and Russell are the same....

Russell beat Hamilton in points in 2022.

Hamilton beat Russell in points in 2023.

Russell has outqualified Hamilton 9 to 2 so far for 2024 and is beating Hamilton in points......and the season isn't even over yet.

**bogs1207** · 28th June 2024, 16:02

Leclercs garage incompetence again. Best not to get your hope high every race weekends.

**tifosi1993** · 28th June 2024, 16:06

Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6

Russell beat Hamilton in points in 2022.

Hamilton beat Russell in points in 2023.

Russell has outqualified Hamilton 9 to 2 so far for 2024 and is beating Hamilton in points......and the season isn't even over yet.

And? The discussion wasn't about who is the better Mercedes driver. It was about Alonso and him currently getting beat by one of the worst driver in F1.

**jgonzalesm6** · 28th June 2024, 16:14

Originally Posted by tifosi1993

And? The discussion wasn't about who is the better Mercedes driver. It was about Alonso and him currently getting beat by one of the worst driver in F1.

You made the comparison of "Stroll and Russell are the same." I didn't bring Russell into the debate.

I'm just comparing and explaining to you that Russell and Stroll ARE NOT THE SAME when compared to their team-mates.

Alonso is FAAAAAR a better F1 driver than Stroll in 2023 and 2024 with regards to points.

**tifosi1993** · 28th June 2024, 16:22

Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6

You made the comparison of "Stroll and Russell are the same." I didn't bring Russell into the debate.

I'm just comparing and explaining to you that Russell and Stroll ARE NOT THE SAME when compared to their team-mates.

Alonso is FAAAAAR a better F1 driver than Stroll in 2023 and 2024 with regards to points.

I didn't make any comparison. I said Alonso should consider retirement because right now he's getting beat by Stroll. Then you butted in the conversation and brought up Hamilton, hence my initial response to you.
Again, I wasn't talking about how many points Alonso had scored, because he should always out-score someone like Stroll. My point was whether he should remain in F1 after getting out-qualified by Stroll once again.

**FerrariF60** · 28th June 2024, 16:25

Originally Posted by tifosi1993

Expecting a typical Ferrari TP like response from our TP:

"Charles P10? Doesn't matter and I doubt he would've qualified higher anyway"

really he said that?? and of course, with a POS car Ferrari presented him i doubt he would have done better than that....OK maybe P6

Ferrari needs to put their head down, work hard adn bring some valuable upgrades worth mentioning to the traks....kind of like what McLaren did

as Mclaren are a serious threat to red bull/Max for this years championship.....for us, we'll be lucky if we finish 4th in teh standings

**PURE PASSION** · 28th June 2024, 16:26

And now everybody (in the team) gonna deal what happend to Lec "so that will never happen again" (oohh boy how many times we have heard that)
Like the performance was there and we just mished pole due to an unexpected incident .
Or they still have some excuses track / conditions related?

**FerrariF60** · 28th June 2024, 16:26

Originally Posted by stefa

This is unacceptable!!! This is amateurs level! Like this they will NEVER win CWC or WDC!!!

back to the CLOWNS show as we were in the Binotto era

**tifosi1993** · 28th June 2024, 16:32

Originally Posted by FerrariF60

really he said that?? and of course, with a POS car Ferrari presented him i doubt he would have done better than that....OK maybe P6

Ferrari needs to put their head down, work hard adn bring some valuable upgrades worth mentioning to the traks....kind of like what McLaren did

as Mclaren are a serious threat to red bull/Max for this years championship.....for us, we'll be lucky if we finish 4th in teh standings

No, he hasn't said that, yet, but that's what I'm expecting him to say, after his comments in the last race. We all know Charles was saving tyres and could've finished ahead of both the Merc, if it hadn't been for Sainz's shenanigans.
But Vasseur pretty much dumped on Charles after the race and said it didn't matter, and kept on rambling about our qualifying position.
When the team instructed both to look after their tyres and when the one leaving ignored that instruction and had gone for a dive bomb, you'd expect Ferrari's TP to be at least a bit annoyed with that driver.

**elnano14** · 28th June 2024, 16:33

Looking at Sainz's lap times:
S1: 1 - 1.5 tenths slower than Max/Lando
S2: basically even with them
S3: 2 - 2.5 tenths slower than Max/Lando
Sector 1 is 1 high speed corner + 2 straight. Sector 3 is all high speed corners. Once again we struggle with them, similar to Barcelona's sector 2
Where is the car that was excellent in high speed corners in early of the season ? All the advantage in high speed corners of SF-24 is GONE

**jgonzalesm6** · 28th June 2024, 16:34

Originally Posted by tifosi1993

I didn't make any comparison. I said Alonso should consider retirement because right now he's getting beat by Stroll. Then you butted in the conversation and brought up Hamilton, hence my initial response to you.
Again, I wasn't talking about how many points Alonso had scored, because he should always out-score someone like Stroll. My point was whether he should remain in F1 after getting out-qualified by Stroll once again.

It's a knee-jerk reaction on your part just because "Stroll is beating Alonso right now."

So, should Hamilton consider retirement when Russell beat Hamilton in the points in 2022?

**tifosi1993** · 28th June 2024, 16:39

Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6

It's a knee-jerk reaction on your part just because "Stroll is beating Alonso right now."

So, should Hamilton consider retirement when Russell beat Hamilton in the points in 2022?

Are you really that dumb?

**FerrariF60** · 28th June 2024, 16:56

Originally Posted by tifosi1993

Are you really that dumb?

apparently he is

**tifosi1993** · 28th June 2024, 16:56

Originally Posted by elnano14

Looking at Sainz's lap times:
S1: 1 - 1.5 tenths slower than Max/Lando
S2: basically even with them
S3: 2 - 2.5 tenths slower than Max/Lando
Sector 1 is 1 high speed corner + 2 straight. Sector 3 is all high speed corners. Once again we struggle with them, similar to Barcelona's sector 2
Where is the car that was excellent in high speed corners in early of the season ? All the advantage in high speed corners of SF-24 is GONE

The lack of downforce in high speed was quite evident. Sainz had to deal with understeer in high speed corners, while both Max and Norris had no such problems. Both of them able to hit the apex and their car was compliant, which Sainz couldn't even hit the apex and was washing away from the corner.

This is a complete turnaround of the car characteristics. The SF24 was equal to the Red Bull in the high speed corners of Jeddah, Australia and Miami. And now it can't even keep up with the Mclaren.

**jgonzalesm6** · 28th June 2024, 16:59

Originally Posted by tifosi1993

Are you really that dumb?

Originally Posted by FerrariF60

apparently he is

Are both of you that obtuse?

You guys put qualifying results in front of seasonal points when comparing team-mates?

Alonso is beating Stroll in both categories in 2023 and 2024.

Russell the same in 2022 and 2024.

Russell and Stroll ARE NOT THE SAME!!!

**racingbradley** · 28th June 2024, 16:59

I think when Sainz leaves Charles should swap to his garage and personnel of course. Maybe he would have some luck.

I think Michael did this (maybe I have got that wrong)

**FerrariF60** · 28th June 2024, 17:00

Originally Posted by tifosi1993

The lack of downforce in high speed was quite evident. Sainz had to deal with understeer in high speed corners, while both Max and Norris had no such problems. Both of them able to hit the apex and their car was compliant, which Sainz couldn't even hit the apex and was washing away from the corner.

This is a complete turnaround of the car characteristics. The SF24 was equal to the Red Bull in the high speed corners of Jeddah, Australia and Miami. And now it can't even keep up with the Mclaren.

so did the "new upgrades" as of late made us go backwards then???

**tifosi1993** · 28th June 2024, 17:00

Originally Posted by FerrariF60

apparently he is

Definitely.

**PURE PASSION** · 28th June 2024, 17:07

Originally Posted by FerrariF60

so did the "new upgrades" as of late made us go backwards then???

It looks like they propably solve some problems they ment to be ,so we made progress by them, BUT they created others ,like the suddenly the porpoising emerged again from Spain . Vasseur referred to it again today that cause us a problem.
so now we look to be at lost on what to do. we fix something just to creat another problem ,will other make small steady improvements and it looks we are going backwards.

**tifosi1993** · 28th June 2024, 17:09

Originally Posted by FerrariF60

so did the "new upgrades" as of late made us go backwards then???

Apparently. Formu1a.uno guys are saying that the new floor is producing too much downforce and brought back porpoising, so the upgrades Ferrari brought turned to be a dud, once again.
I can't believe they made the same mistakes that others and Ferrari themselves have made in the past, yet again. Red Bull have showed time and time again that stable platform is more important than pure downforce, and now both Mclaren and Mercedes are following that route.
Today Mclaren brought another front suspension upgrade and Ferrari barely touched their own suspension in this ground effect era. But Cardile said "suspensions are overrated", so I'm not surprised in that regard.

**paolo lalli** · 28th June 2024, 18:01

now both Mclaren and Mercedes are following that route.
Today Mclaren brought another front suspension upgrade and Ferrari barely touched their own suspension in this ground effect era. But Cardile said "suspensions are overrated", so I'm not surprised in that regard.[/QUOTE]
No more excuses 4th best team.Ferrari have gone backwards they can put all the spin they want on the car.Maclaren on fire.

**jgonzalesm6** · 28th June 2024, 18:18

Originally Posted by tifosi1993

Definitely.

Alonso has accumulated over 80% of AMRF1's points in 2023 while Stroll was his team-mate.

Alonso has accumulated 70% of AMRF1's points so far in 2024 while Stroll is his team-mate still.

And you want to get rid of Alonso? Sound pretty asinine to me.

**Cavallino** · 28th June 2024, 20:47

Originally Posted by tifosi1993

Apparently. Formu1a.uno guys are saying that the new floor is producing too much downforce and brought back porpoising, so the upgrades Ferrari brought turned to be a dud, once again.
I can't believe they made the same mistakes that others and Ferrari themselves have made in the past, yet again. Red Bull have showed time and time again that stable platform is more important than pure downforce, and now both Mclaren and Mercedes are following that route.
Today Mclaren brought another front suspension upgrade and Ferrari barely touched their own suspension in this ground effect era. But Cardile said "suspensions are overrated", so I'm not surprised in that regard.

clearly the suspension philosophy every other team has is able to cope with adding downforce no problem

to fix that you have to write off two seasons now because no chance Ferrari changes suspension philosophy and gets it right from the get go

**aroutis** · 29th June 2024, 05:08

Any comparison of this team with the Binotto era is at least offensive.
Sure we 've had some incidents as of late but I suggest to those that have lost their cool to have a cold shower and relax a little.

Noone liked the late results, let alone the latest one.
But, like always, we'll persevere.

It's not easy to be a Tifoso. Is that news?

**Cavallino** · 29th June 2024, 06:27

Originally Posted by aroutis

Any comparison of this team with the Binotto era is at least offensive.
Sure we 've had some incidents as of late but I suggest to those that have lost their cool to have a cold shower and relax a little.

Noone liked the late results, let alone the latest one.
But, like always, we'll persevere.

It's not easy to be a Tifoso. Is that news?

is really isn't

but your posts are so cool, encouraging, informative, and down to earth. You're a breath of fresh air. Please don't stop.