Adrian Newey joins Aston Martin

[FerrariF60]

Newey was attracted to AM because he was impressed by their commitment in building state of the art facilities at Silverstone including a new wind tunnel and simulator. He also wanted to work with Alonso.
Maybe these were the reasons he chose AM.

and he could prolly bike to work....unlike a move to Ferrari where he'd have to actually relocate; can't blame the guy OR the $100M he'll be making for next 3 years

[FerrariF60]

why would new faciilities impress a guy who is known for still using pencil and paper?

Zactly my thoughts.....lol

we also have a state of the art wind tunnel and simulator....he just prolly hates Ferrari....lol

[jgonzalesm6]

why would new faciilities impress a guy who is known for still using pencil and paper?

Because he loves the flow of communication between departments.

Mclaren doesn't have that Newey mindset when it comes to the flow of communication between departments.

He's a simpleton when using an engineering drawing table and pencil and flow of communication.

[racingbradley]

why would new faciilities impress a guy who is known for still using pencil and paper?

I think the operative word here is "commitment". He saw in Stroll someone who was completely committed to providing the best possible to equip his team to be championship ready. He was also very impressed by the offer of shares in the company........none of the other teams had offered that. Then there was the chance of working with Alonso whom he rates very highly as a driver but he likes his personality as well.
We will never know the whole story but maybe Stroll's offer was too good to turn down and no need to relocate.
Ferrari reputely wanted him to integrate with the team on a full time basis and not work remotely

[jgonzalesm6]

I think the operative word here is "commitment". He saw in Stroll someone who was completely committed to providing the best possible to equip his team to be championship ready. He was also very impressed by the offer of shares in the company........none of the other teams had offered that. Then there was the chance of working with Alonso whom he rates very highly as a driver but he likes his personality as well.
We will never know the whole story but maybe Stroll's offer was too good to turn down and no need to relocate.
Ferrari reputely wanted him to integrate with the team on a full time basis and not work remotely

A shareholder and partner of AMRF1.

[paolo lalli]

When mercedes had there rocket ship and lewis was wiping the floor with every one,where was Newey then oh that's right sharpening his pencil and buying a note pad.Takes more than one ingredient to make a great soup so to speak.

[Cavallino]

When mercedes had there rocket ship and lewis was wiping the floor with every one,where was Newey then oh that's right sharpening his pencil and buying a note pad.Takes more than one ingredient to make a great soup so to speak.

well that formula was dictated by engine power

and this leads to a separate conversation but that's what F1 doesn't seem to understand with these formulas

the 2022 formula is all about aero.

they need to make a formula that allows avenues for advancement in both aero and engine.

then you would have an interesting season

every track would advantage a different team and their strengths and weaknesses.

[Toothlessrage*]

well that formula was dictated by engine power

and this leads to a separate conversation but that's what F1 doesn't seem to understand with these formulas

the 2022 formula is all about aero.

they need to make a formula that allows avenues for advancement in both aero and engine.

then you would have an interesting season

every track would advantage a different team and their strengths and weaknesses.

I have noticed that whenever the era is PU-focused, Newey's work isn't that significant.
But, when there's a budget cap - Newey's work is the primary factor of success.

[FerrariF60]

When mercedes had there rocket ship and lewis was wiping the floor with every one,where was Newey then oh that's right sharpening his pencil and buying a note pad.Takes more than one ingredient to make a great soup so to speak.

let's not kid ourselves, Newey and Co. had such a terrible run at teh starting of teh new regs in 2014 because they were handicapped by a WEAK engine PU renault provided them; their AERO was still top class but because Merc had such an advantage PU wise, they couldn't even come close to compete with Mercedes....THEN, they switched to Honda power unit and, WELL we all know what happened to Merc's advantage

so PLEASE, don't underestimate teh GURU of Aerodynamics....he afterall IS A GENIUS......GOD help all of us come new regs in 2026, it would take a miracle from Ferrari to be at the top in 2026 and beyond.

[Cavallino]

I have noticed that whenever the era is PU-focused, Newey's work isn't that significant.
But, when there's a budget cap - Newey's work is the primary factor of success.

you all are also forgetting the 2010 regs, which was also an engine freeze, very aero focused, that Newey dominated

[FerrariF60]

you all are also forgetting the 2010 regs, which was also an engine freeze, very aero focused, that Newey dominated

we had a good, top class engine in 2010; is just that Newey mastered the exhaust blown diffuser to a T, hence giving them that much extra downforce. Ferrari could not replicate/copy that if their life depended on it, hence why they lost championships in those years with Alonso

[Cavallino]

we had a good, top class engine in 2010; is just that Newey mastered the exhaust blown diffuser to a T, hence giving them that much extra downforce. Ferrari could not replicate/copy that if their life depended on it, hence why they lost championships in those years with Alonso

we did, but Renault used the loopholes to keep clawing back some of the deficit when they shouldn't have been allowed to, despite engines being "frozen"

but your statement just proves my point that the 2010 regs weren't engine regs, they were aero regs, and newey dominated.

[JPZ]

Newey gives some reasons why he didn't join Ferrari.

Mentions some topics which had been brought up in this thread.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/BxdYS9COmeo

[jgonzalesm6]

Newey gives some reasons why he didn't join Ferrari.

Mentions some topics which had been brought up in this thread.

[video]https://www.youtube.com/shorts/BxdYS9COmeo[/url]

He mentions it in his book(How to build an F1 car) why he will never join Ferrari. He wrote that book years ago.

[Greig]

He mentions it in his book(How to build an F1 car) why he will never join Ferrari. He wrote that book years ago.

He would signed for Ferrari if we agreed to his terms....we rejected Newey.

[jgonzalesm6]

He would signed for Ferrari if we agreed to his terms....we rejected Newey.

4th times a charm?

Wolff also said that MercedesAMGF1 rejected Newey because Toto felt that their organization structure was fine where it was at.

[racingbradley]

Maybe he put conditions into his contract that he knew Ferrari would never agree to.........maybe he liked the hype about his joining the most iconic team in F1.
Eddie Jordan his manager probably steered him towards Aston Martin......Eddie still takes a "certain ownership" of that team and would like to see them climb up the standings.

[jgonzalesm6]

Maybe he put conditions into his contract that he knew Ferrari would never agree to.........maybe he liked the hype about his joining the most iconic team in F1.
Eddie Jordan his manager probably steered him towards Aston Martin......Eddie still takes a "certain ownership" of that team and would like to see them climb up the standings.

Lawrence Stroll is a mega-rich business man and he knew how to attract Newey:

1,) Newey is a partner with AMRF1.
2.) Newey is a shareholder in AMRF1
3.) $30 million per year plus add-ons and bonuses.
4.) Newey will oversee 3 F1 depts. to better harmonize, synergize and congeal all 3 depts for better communication.

[racingbradley]

Lawrence Stroll is a mega-rich business man and he knew how to attract Newey:

1,) Newey is a partner with AMRF1.
2.) Newey is a shareholder in AMRF1
3.) $30 million per year plus add-ons and bonuses.
4.) Newey will oversee 3 F1 depts. to better harmonize, synergize and congeal all 3 depts for better communication.

I think you are right. The above "carrots" really impressed Newey.
He loved all of that. Now he's going to work at AM full time on site.............none of that talk about remote access on a part time basis.
Stroll knew which buttons to press.

[jgonzalesm6]

I think you are right. The above "carrots" really impressed Newey.
He loved all of that. Now he's going to work at AM full time on site.............none of that talk about remote access on a part time basis.
Stroll knew which buttons to press.

Yes, it's about "pressing buttons" but it's also about the long term effects Newey has in the F1 organization.(again, I'm guessing here because we don't know how Newey will progress AMRF1.....but it is Newey)

[FerrariF60]

Yes, it's about "pressing buttons" but it's also about the long term effects Newey has in the F1 organization.(again, I'm guessing here because we don't know how Newey will progress AMRF1.....but it is Newey)

you's think he's gonna make AMR champions the first year's he's there??? you are all dreaming, including the DEEP POCKETS STORLL....it may take him a good few years if it's gonna happen at all

look how long it took red bull to be champions the first time...he came to them fools in 2005, and only became champions in 2010....yeah exactly

[jgonzalesm6]

you's think he's gonna make AMR champions the first year's he's there??? you are all dreaming, including the DEEP POCKETS STORLL....it may take him a good few years if it's gonna happen at all

look how long it took red bull to be champions the first time...he came to them fools in 2005, and only became champions in 2010....yeah exactly

It's a reset for everyone in 2026.

[racingbradley]

Alonso said it would take more than Newey to fix AM.

i think the discussion here was not about how effective Newey will be at AM but more about Stroll senior acquiring his services.