SF-24 Challenger Discussion Thread

[FerrariF60]

Scuderiafans mentioned that upgrades despite the bad result indeed worked. the problem was due to the suspension, couldn't handle the extra load generated therefore introducing bouncing

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but we had no bouncing in previous races.
so is it our suspension that makes the car bounce?? setup?? or the new upgraded floor introduced bouncing again?

[tifosi1993]

but we had no bouncing in previous races.
so is it our suspension that makes the car bounce?? setup?? or the new upgraded floor introduced bouncing again?

Ground effect cars will always bounce and there's no way to eliminate that completely. These cars need to run with an extremely stiff suspension in order to keep the floor as low as possible, otherwise they are not going to produce good lap times. The trick is to make it manageable, something many haven't managed to mastered it yet.

Now what the Italian media is saying, to me, it sounds nothing but speculation. Yes, Ferrari indeed lowered the front floor roof/fence, which maybe producing more raw downforce. They also used a less loaded rear wing, which explains the speed on the straights (non-DRS). But we still possible can't know the reason/reasons for this sudden drop in performance compared to our main competitors. Only Ferrari know this. And hopefully, they will soon get on top of this.

[subfire91]

but we had no bouncing in previous races.
so is it our suspension that makes the car bounce?? setup?? or the new upgraded floor introduced bouncing again?

basically what i understand from what their mention is that the upgrades produced the extra downforce for what they were intended for but either the team set the suspension softer than they should therefore could not cope with extra downforce and increasing bouncing as a result or the suspension hit a structural lumitation

whether is true or not i dont know but Fred mentioned that the increased load was confirmed by the sensors on the car

[paolo lalli]

No point introducing upgrades if the engineers have no idea of setting the car up come park ferme.This has been the trend lately it's a real cross your fingers and hope for the best scenario, this does not pass the pub test.Maclaren seem to have the car that set up offers little challenge ahead of redbull.Andrea Stella has done one hell of a job.Mercedes have progressed well that front wing has put them in the mix,at this point we are racing mercedes as maclaren are racing redbull,but as we know in f1 you either keep up and pass with development or you get left behind ,just ask Fernando Alonso and Aston Martin.

[Brembo]

How challenging it must be for Carlos having to win over Merc as best his Ferrari will get him and at the same time want Merc to give him a 2025 seat.

[aroutis]

basically what i understand from what their mention is that the upgrades produced the extra downforce for what they were intended for but either the team set the suspension softer than they should therefore could not cope with extra downforce and increasing bouncing as a result or the suspension hit a structural lumitation

whether is true or not i dont know but Fred mentioned that the increased load was confirmed by the sensors on the car

Adding to your assertion, I will say that this whole thing sounds like that there was not a fundamental issue with the car but rather a setup issue.
I am hopeful that next race they will tweak things with the setup in order for the bouncing will either be minimized or gone altogether.

[Cavallino]

Adding to your assertion, I will say that this whole thing sounds like that there was not a fundamental issue with the car but rather a setup issue.
I am hopeful that next race they will tweak things with the setup in order for the bouncing will either be minimized or gone altogether.

i agree.

they solved porpoising. so whatever they did to do that, suspensioin changes, wasn't able to cope with the additional load points. maybe they got more load out of the updates than they were expecting. hopefully it's just some setup differences, and we don't need a suspension update too now.

[tifosi1993]

i agree.

they solved porpoising. so whatever they did to do that, suspensioin changes, wasn't able to cope with the additional load points. maybe they got more load out of the updates than they were expecting. hopefully it's just some setup differences, and we don't need a suspension update too now.

Well, if they really managed to increase the overall load, then they'll need to reinforce the suspension. I don't think Spain had anything to do with the setup, because a setup issue wouldn't have caused our drivers to take their foot off the throttle in one particular high speed corner, which was turn 14. I think Ferrari were forced to raise the ride height, which resultant in a loss in overall performance. Charles was the 3rd fastest car, but he had no answers to the pace of Max and Norris, which wasn't the case in Miami, Imola and Monaco.

But let's see how Austria will turn out. Its not a high aero load circuit like Barcelona, which may help us a bit.

[jgonzalesm6]

Austria track is 700m above sea level.

7% less air density so 7% less downforce. Teams will try to get back that loss of downforce with medium-load wings.

[jgonzalesm6]

Only 5 teams brought updates. Ferrari was one of them. They brought cooling louvers to the SF24.

[FerrariF60]

Only 5 teams brought updates. Ferrari was one of them. They brought cooling louvers to the SF24.

that alone can easily give them couple of tenths....lmao

[djmorin27]

so seems that we are right back to the situation we were in last year with the designer of last years car gone and now cardile is gone with no influence on his car.thats why we are ware we are.there is no stablization at the factory

[elnano14]

The car now has very good downforce on slow corners but bounces very much on high speed corners so the drivers can not take those turns at the limit
It's opposite to the car's characteristic earlier in the season: great in high speed corners, average on slow corners
Silverstone with many high speed corners will be a pain

[racingbradley]

Oh dear it sounds like we will have another lack lustre weekend to follow. I was hoping for a better race. Maybe the car/drivers will surprise us.

[Brembo]

Carlos really needs a win ! Maybe he will brighten up the action come this next race. I'm sure Charles will keep him honest.

[Greig]

Oh dear it sounds like we will have another lack lustre weekend to follow. I was hoping for a better race. Maybe the car/drivers will surprise us.

Hopefully

[FerrariF60]

Hopefully

fingers crossed

[elnano14]

Question: can the team remove all the upgrades from Barcelona and revert to the Imola spec ?

Because the updrages in Barcelona do not add any laptime to the SF24, the Imola spec was still up there with McLaren and Red Bull, and comfortably faster than Mercedes

Given how little the McLaren and Red Bull brought their upgrades since Imola, I still think the Imola spec can still hang in there with them

Next few tracks are are almost front limited with many high speed, long radius corners, which the old SF24 was the beast at driving them

[FerrariF60]

Question: can the team remove all the upgrades from Barcelona and revert to the Imola spec ?

Because the updrages in Barcelona do not add any laptime to the SF24, the Imola spec was still up there with McLaren and Red Bull, and comfortably faster than Mercedes

Given how little the McLaren and Red Bull brought their upgrades since Imola, I still think the Imola spec can still hang in there with them

Next few tracks are are almost front limited with many high speed, long radius corners, which the old SF24 was the beast at driving them

i can't see WHY the team could not remove them and revert to Imola spec sf-24....but what would that say about our team and thier ability to bring succesful upgrades to the car.....if the car all of a sudden becomes competitive again with Imola package ONLY, then the team look like clowns, NO??

so just for that i doubt Ferrari will revert back.

[PURE PASSION]

Question: can the team remove all the upgrades from Barcelona and revert to the Imola spec ?

Because the updrages in Barcelona do not add any laptime to the SF24, the Imola spec was still up there with McLaren and Red Bull, and comfortably faster than Mercedes

Given how little the McLaren and Red Bull brought their upgrades since Imola, I still think the Imola spec can still hang in there with them

Next few tracks are are almost front limited with many high speed, long radius corners, which the old SF24 was the beast at driving them

Im pretty sure the other teams, especially Merc, have grown quite a lot since Imola. So don't see something good going back to that stage. We still be 4th fastest ( if not lower since Alpine has grown too) just with an easier car to drive.
From what i read , the Imola package didn't designed to bring so much performance, but more to start a new aerodynamic platform. It was the base where the 2nd package ( Silverstone witch moved forward to Spain ) will add the performance by adding more load.Whar happened next we see it and we have discussed it a kot in here.

[PURE PASSION]

In Silverstone, RedBull , McL and Merc will bring upgrades.
We will try to set up the car correctly.
Although it loos like a loss already, I'm not worriedso much the others will gain but if we will find any solutions. My biggest fear (about the teams fate this year) is that we will jot gonna find any proper solutions to run the car at 100%.