SF-24 Challenger Discussion Thread

[FerrariF60]

But.. but... but... Cardile said that the pullrod vs pushrod suspension difference isn't really important.

i mentioned that in one of my previous posts as well....we'll if they can actually remedy this without going pull rod and if so HOW competitive are we gonna be against the likes of red bull and mclaren.

[Scuderia rossa]

The problem we have entered in the last 15 years is that we are in an endless circle. We supposedly fixing a team that we are waiting of them to deliver in 2-3 years . If they dont we are all over them and we demand changes, and then all over again. In these 15years the team have changed at least 5 times. From the TP to the cleaner lady.
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When im thinking it i truly cant find the correct answer because both are right.
When a team doesn't deliver is it bacause they need more time, something must have missed them witch is all right just give them more time to find it later? Or is it that they actually are not top notch so we have to let them go and bring better ones??
When we are facing the problems,all of us and especially the media/journalist experts are more or less shouting that it's the 2nd. But when an engineer leave and goes to another teams and thrives,then again they complain to the bosses that they didn't give them more time or the right environment for them to work.
So to me it's not a simple answer. None is as none is for the technical advices we hear in here and especially on the net by the "experts". The solutions unfortunately is more complicated and a bit more about luck. To come to a state and time where the people you have ,1st have the knowledge to think a clever solution to a matter 2nly to work well each other with none try to present himself better the the other so to take the credits and the bosses to provide the necessary space-freedom-resources to them. When a team after comes and goings, achieve this kind of environment,then they start deliver.
In McL Stella was there for almost 10 yesrs and couldn't do anything until last year . Someone could "we had him for 10 years what has he done"? And then the promoted him to TP ,some engineers came and all of a sudden, after 8years of them fighting for the last places , everything starts working again and they transferred to a winning team again.
We had engineers like Also Costs that fired him in 2011 saying that he can't design any proper car (we had prof because the actual cars that he had designed foe us didn't perform) and then he went to Merc and won 5-6-7 championships being a of the most valuable people of that winning team.
So what now ? We let Cardile go because his cars reach a level and stop ther, have limitations. ?
And the next? How much time do we give them? Thats answers that only the TP can answer and for the TP ( if HE is worthy or not) Elkann.

It happened back then in the Montezemolo era! He had Lauda as a consultant and the advice that he told him was “if you want to succeed then you have to hire Jean Todt as Team Principal”. He did exactly that knowing that he could trust Lauda (quite an intelligent person by the way) with the condition that he would have carte blanche to make all the necessary adjustments and take the decisions to achieve the goal of bringing Ferrari back to top. And that’s what happened! Jean Todt proved that he was worthy of Luca di Montezemolo”s trust. He hired all the right people and reorganized the whole organization of the Gestione Sportiva and we saw the results. The then Ferrari was functioning like a Swiss clock, smashing all (or almost all) the records and Jean Todt himself was ruthless he would take no prisoners in order to win! He transformed Ferrari to a dream team, the “red armada”. BUT to achieve that he hired the services of genius of the likes of Ross Brawn, Rory Berny, Osamu Goto, Nigel Stepney, Aldo Costa (to name a few). Without that powerful technical department however good is the team principal it will be futile.The team principal hires the right people, but the technical director gives his input in designing the car! Apart from Aldo Costa (post Ross Brawn and Rory Berny era) which was wrongly fired as a scapegoat we didn’t have a technical director of the caliber of Ross Brawn and that cost us a lot! All the team principals we had after Stefano Domenicalli had little or no experience from motor racing, thus the inability to guide the team, they were just the FIAT CEO people (here come into play the politics of the Ferrari culture which previously Jean Todt and Ross Brawn eradicated). And to add salt to the misery we promoted that clown Matia Biscotto in the role of TD in the beginning and then TP! And although as chief of the engine department he was really good, as TD mediocre (which is not nearly enough) as a TP he was miserable!

[Scuderia rossa]

But.. but... but... Cardile said that the pullrod vs pushrod suspension difference isn't really important.

Exactly! He himself downplayed the importance of the suspension layout configuration unlike James Key, but i told myself “hey he might as well know what he’s doing, let’s wait and see!”.

[PURE PASSION]

It happened back then in the Montezemolo era! He had Lauda as a consultant and the advice that he told him was “if you want to succeed then you have to hire Jean Todt as Team Principal”. He did exactly that knowing that he could trust Lauda (quite an intelligent person by the way) with the condition that he would have carte blanche to make all the necessary adjustments and take the decisions to achieve the goal of bringing Ferrari back to top. And that’s what happened! Jean Todt proved that he was worthy of Luca di Montezemolo”s trust. He hired all the right people and reorganized the whole organization of the Gestione Sportiva and we saw the results. The then Ferrari was functioning like a Swiss clock, smashing all (or almost all) the records and Jean Todt himself was ruthless he would take no prisoners in order to win! He transformed Ferrari to a dream team, the “red armada”. BUT to achieve that he hired the services of genius of the likes of Ross Brawn, Rory Berny, Osamu Goto, Nigel Stepney, Aldo Costa (to name a few). Without that powerful technical department however good is the team principal it will be futile.The team principal hires the right people, but the technical director gives his input in designing the car! Apart from Aldo Costa (post Ross Brawn and Rory Berny era) which was wrongly fired as a scapegoat we didn’t have a technical director of the caliber of Ross Brawn and that cost us a lot! All the team principals we had after Stefano Domenicalli had little or no experience from motor racing, thus the inability to guide the team, they were just the FIAT CEO people (here come into play the politics of the Ferrari culture which previously Jean Todt and Ross Brawn eradicated). And to add salt to the misery we promoted that clown Matia Biscotto in the role of TD in the beginning and then TP! And although as chief of the engine department he was really good, as TD mediocre (which is not nearly enough) as a TP he was miserable!

To me Binotto ,from all the others, was the most selfish. He has sneaky moved up the leader, probably always blaming tho others for the failure and wanted to have all the power and glory for himself. The cherry on top was that he wanted to have the 2 most powerful places on the team .Both TD and TP. And eventually to me he probably made another deal for his part ,in the last 2 years (2021 - 2022) that ended up taking the team apart.

[Brembo]

Binotto's main job was to get Mick a seat @ Ferrari.

[Scuderia rossa]

To me Binotto ,from all the others, was the most selfish. He has sneaky moved up the leader, probably always blaming tho others for the failure and wanted to have all the power and glory for himself. The cherry on top was that he wanted to have the 2 most powerful places on the team .Both TD and TP. And eventually to me he probably made another deal for his part ,in the last 2 years (2021 - 2022) that ended up taking the team apart.

+1! He was climbing the ladder with his moto "essere ferrari"! OK maybe he was passioned with Ferrari, but that doesn't make him the right person to sit in to the chair of the TD let alone of that of the TP!

[Toothlessrage*]

To me Binotto ,from all the others, was the most selfish. He has sneaky moved up the leader, probably always blaming tho others for the failure and wanted to have all the power and glory for himself. The cherry on top was that he wanted to have the 2 most powerful places on the team .Both TD and TP. And eventually to me he probably made another deal for his part ,in the last 2 years (2021 - 2022) that ended up taking the team apart.

I agree.

Rather embarrassingly, I felt he deserved a chance.

But, after 2022 the way the SF75 IMPLODED in our faces as well as Binnoto's handling of driver politics. I was convinced he had to go.

[PURE PASSION]

I agree.

Rather embarrassingly, I felt he deserved a chance.

But, after 2022 the way the SF75 IMPLODED in our faces as well as Binnoto's handling of driver politics. I was convinced he had to go.

We all believed in him and his"plan". He decieded us !!!

[Toothlessrage*]

We all believed in him and his"plan". He decieded us !!!

What ticks me off is that his sheer incompetence and ego cost us this era of racing.

I still remember the initial races of 2022, they were beautiful.

Watching Charles show that Verstappen isn't the god of racing everyone thought he was.

[FerrariF60]

What ticks me off is that his sheer incompetence and ego cost us this era of racing.

I still remember the initial races of 2022, they were beautiful.

Watching Charles show that Verstappen isn't the god of racing everyone thought he was.

i agree....and that we never had to balls to stand by our own and refuse to comply to the TD39 crap....we should have used our VETO, but no, we were spineless jelly fish with ZERO back bone

[Scuderia rossa]

What ticks me off is that his sheer incompetence and ego cost us this era of racing.

I still remember the initial races of 2022, they were beautiful.

Watching Charles show that Verstappen isn't the god of racing everyone thought he was.

Exactly! I can still remember the first race of the new F1 era cars when CL schooled MV! And even in Australia where he dominated. Then along came the TD39 which of course the jelly fish which we had as TD and sadly TP (yes I'm referring to that clown Biscotto) succumbed to Wolf's demands "for the sake of the good of F1"! What an idi@t!

[Kyss4k]

Exactly! I can still remember the first race of the new F1 era cars when CL schooled MV! And even in Australia where he dominated. Then along came the TD39 which of course the jelly fish which we had as TD and sadly TP (yes I'm referring to that clown Biscotto) succumbed to Wolf's demands "for the sake of the good of F1"! What an idi@t!

Just as we did before with other TPs. I will never forget how Alonso dominated Silverstone in 2011 when the blown diffusers were banned... but for "the good of the sport" we allowed that ban to be lifted.

[FerrariF60]

Just as we did before with other TPs. I will never forget how Alonso dominated Silverstone in 2011 when the blown diffusers were banned... but for "the good of the sport" we allowed that ban to be lifted.

Yup, Ferrari don’t seem to have that political power anymore…every time they mention that they want to pull out of F1, they take it as a joke

I’m afraid that we will never see ferrari of old, ruthless and demanding as they used to be, which is sad really

[Scuderia rossa]

Ferrari: in his interview with @SkySportF1 after qualifying at Silverstone, Vasseur dodged the question of internal movements, but according to the news, the team is indeed undergoing a metamorphosis, and it's a delicate transition.

- The team is reeling under the weight of new signings that will create new hierarchies from October onwards: Jérôme D'Ambrosio's announcement as deputy team manager is generating a great deal of discontent among some long-serving members of the team, who have learned of the move via a press release. D'Ambrosio will drastically shake things up internally.

- Loic Serra, future technical director, enters the company without the move or the choice having been shared in advance with anyone on the technical team.

- The difficulties also reveal the tension of a changing team, with Vasseur intervening in all departments, pushing for an ever more aggressive approach and inserting more and more new people.

- And hovering over all this is the spirit of Adrian Newey, whose value nobody would dream of questioning, but who, if he arrives, can only play a major role in the future technical balance. Among the results of these earthquakes is the departure of Enrico Cardile. But Radio Scuderia is also talking about other possible internal adjustments that could also affect the powertrain sector, in and out.

- Beyond the current results, which aren't exactly brilliant, this isn't the Ferrari of "continuity" that Vasseur has always displayed since his first interview in red. But he's making a lot of purchases, and internally, the revolution is making itself felt.

https://www.formulapassion.it/editor...ride-ma-perche