SF23 Discussion Thread

[tpe]

That would be an interesting comparison but no doubt it goes outside the FIA rulebook!

Crash tests are completed. The only change is in the top rollbar and the floor. If they pass the crash tests again, easy since they did last year, they can do it. But...

[mihirshah28186]

Ferrari with soo much money are useless. They even cannot develop a competitive car. Year after year they develop a mediocre car a& for the second year running they have engine problems. They only know to fire people, nothing else. They hv forgotten to develop a race car. I have lost hope in teams such as Ferrari & McLaren they can never develop a race which can win races. I appreciate teams such as Redbull & Mercedes. St least they can develop a competitive race with the money they have.

[patrese86]

The engine isn't even that good. Not special enough to hide deficiencies everywhere else. The best engine on the grid might now be worth a tenth compared to the second best. Great aero is worth a second lol

[mihirshah28186]

I was just saying Ferrari being a rich company with vast resources they can only develop a mediocre car. Redbull & Mercedes are better bcoz they put good use of their money & develop a competitive race car, unlike Ferrari which need some excuse for the car not being competitive, but rather the company & its politics are the real problem. Lets see after the new regulation with the addition of Audi what the situation will be.

The engine isn't even that good. Not special enough to hide deficiencies everywhere else. The best engine on the grid might now be worth a tenth compared to the second best. Great aero is worth a second lol

[Aziz]

I was just saying Ferrari being a rich company with vast resources they can only develop a mediocre car. Redbull & Mercedes are better bcoz they put good use of their money & develop a competitive race car, unlike Ferrari which need some excuse for the car not being competitive, but rather the company & its politics are the real problem. Lets see after the new regulation with the addition of Audi what the situation will be.

With current CEO and people in the team it won't get any better

[samboozik]

I was just saying Ferrari being a rich company with vast resources they can only develop a mediocre car. Redbull & Mercedes are better bcoz they put good use of their money & develop a competitive race car, unlike Ferrari which need some excuse for the car not being competitive, but rather the company & its politics are the real problem. Lets see after the new regulation with the addition of Audi what the situation will be.

We'll surely be behind Audi.
Look what happened to Ducati when Audi bought the company, they are now the benchmark in MotoGP.
It goes to show the determination of Audi, it will be no different in F1.

[JacKy]

https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1...osse/10453658/

Ferrari will bring upgrades in 3 stages:
- diffuser in Baku
- rear suspension in Imola
- sidepods in Spain

[brucewayne]

We should give Newey everything he wants to join us, maybe he would like to work on a street car project?

[brucewayne]

With current CEO and people in the team it won't get any better

Culture eats strategy for breakfast.

[JPZ]

We should give Newey everything he wants to join us, maybe he would like to work on a street car project?

Perhaps allow him to work mostly remotely from the UK?

[brucewayne]

Perhaps allow him to work mostly remotely from the UK?

Whatever it takes!

[Ferrari312T4]

We should break the budgetcap. Then get a slap on the wrist kind of punishment. The gains are obvious now

[patrese86]

We should break the budgetcap. Then get a slap on the wrist kind of punishment. The gains are obvious now

We wouldnt get a slap on the wrist. We'd get an unprecedented punishment like expulsion from the championship and wind tunnel time cut to 10 percent.

[tifosi1993]

We should give Newey everything he wants to join us, maybe he would like to work on a street car project?

Even Newey wouldn't win titles with the current team structure. Elkann and Vigna would still poke their nose everywhere, something Newey would never tolerate.

[Toothlessrage*]

Perhaps allow him to work mostly remotely from the UK?

I'm pretty sure Newey is on the way toward retiring sooner than we might think. We should be aggressively pursuing his students or begin the long process of identifying a genius similar to Newey.

[paolo lalli]

Finding another Newey like finding a needle in a haystack.Some times it might be right under your nose,at ferrari it could even be the quiet coffee guy who does the rounds at maranello you just never know.

[jgonzalesm6]

I'm pretty sure Newey is on the way toward retiring sooner than we might think. We should be aggressively pursuing his students or begin the long process of identifying a genius similar to Newey.

Those "students" or predecessors of Newey have moved onto other existing teams within the U.K. to include from Mercedes.

AMRF1 picked up some good quality engineers.

[Greig]

Those "students" or predecessors of Newey have moved onto other existing teams within the U.K. to include from Mercedes.

AMRF1 picked up some good quality engineers.

Yeah they never come to Ferrari.....

https://scuderiafans.com/ferrari-eng...-red-bull-car/

[thecon1878]

Dont think Ferrari have run there engine on full power yet or they have tried and it is just shredding tyres and have just reduced the power.
Going back a few years ago it was Ferrari or another team that had the same problem the found when running on full power it had a very small wheel spin when changing gear but it took them nearly half a season to find the problem but took just as long to fix it

[jgonzalesm6]

Yeah they never come to Ferrari.....

https://scuderiafans.com/ferrari-eng...-red-bull-car/

Oh great!!!......so Ferrari should see a turn-around then by next year(2024)?

I mean, if AMRF1 went from 7th place last year to 2nd or 3rd this year because of Eric Blandin(Mercedes) and Dan Fallows(RedBull), then surely we should see a surge in 2024 by Ferrari...no?

[Greig]

Oh great!!!......so Ferrari should see a turn-around then by next year(2024)?

I mean, if AMRF1 went from 7th place last year to 2nd or 3rd this year because of Eric Blandin(Mercedes) and Dan Fallows(RedBull), then surely we should see a surge in 2024 by Ferrari...no?

Are they the only 2 engineers you know in F1 or something? Ferrari need to push to be 1st, not 2nd or 3rd as we can do that most years so not sure why you think these guys are some kind of holy grail.

Just gloss over the point that Ferrari can get people from other teams.

[jgonzalesm6]

Are they the only 2 engineers you know in F1 or something? Ferrari need to push to be 1st, not 2nd or 3rd as we can do that most years so not sure why you think these guys are some kind of holy grail.

Just gloss over the point that Ferrari can get people from other teams.

Thank-you for that great observation Captain Obvious. They may be personnel from other teams.......but they're not the best....or 2nd best....or 3rd best.

Mind you, AMRF1 are currently building a $200 million F1 facility with a wind tunnel.

[Greig]

Thank-you for that great observation Captain Obvious. They may be personnel from other teams.......but they're not the best....or 2nd best....or 3rd best.

Mind you, AMRF1 are currently building a $200 million F1 facility with a wind tunnel.

How do you know how good they are? Oh you don't so you will make things up as per usual.

How much would it cost Ferrari to build their current facility and tunnel?

[jgonzalesm6]

How do you know how good they are? Oh you don't so you will make things up as per usual.

How much would it cost Ferrari to build their current facility and tunnel?

I'm wishing Ferrari F1 the best in it's future endeavors.

[paolo lalli]

Ferrari need to be numero uno coming 2nd 3rd or 4th is easy they need to crack the big time again.I believe that progress has been made and I expect a different ferrari next race and a totally different car performance in the 2nd half. There will not be a B spec car as stated by Frederick.Other teams won't stand still, either ferrari just needs to move faster with all innovative on the current car. I say finish the year with a bang and lay a solid foundation for next year moving foward,it would be a marvel if ferrari won this year nothing short of unbelievable, iam realistic and I don't see it, but what I can see is an almighty finish that will surprise all the teams, bar ferrari.

[brucewayne]

How do you know how good they are? Oh you don't so you will make things up as per usual.

How much would it cost Ferrari to build their current facility and tunnel?

I agree actually, we don’t need to hire people just to hire them. We need the game changers, like in the past. But it seems Vasseur has the budget to go shopping, so hopefully he is able to identify the difference makers.

Nevertheless, we should at least consider a department in England, we are living in 2023, travelling and online meetings are not a problem in comparison to the 80s. But they will check this also and if there is a benefit, it should at least be an option. Doesn’t mean Ferrari will move the facilities out of Italy.

[aroutis]

We wouldnt get a slap on the wrist. We'd get an unprecedented punishment like expulsion from the championship and wind tunnel time cut to 10 percent.

F1 would not dare throw us off the F1 championship.

[ntukza]

Well all through the winter Ferrari kept flapping their gums that the new sf23 in the windtunnel is more than a second faster than the F175….blah, blah, blah…. And come to these first two races we’re the ONLY team that has NOT improved at all compared to 2022.

But in reality due to the never ending correlation issues Ferrari has had for years between wind tunnel and actual track data we seem to have ONLY improved very little if anything.

And they spent SOOOOOOOOOOOOO much money upgranding to new state of the art wind tunnel this and that…..YET we still are mediocre at this compared to red bull……SUCH A SHAME

Perhaps its fair to conclude that it's not the tool that's the problem...

[racingbradley]

Perhaps its fair to conclude that it's not the tool that's the problem...

I am hopeful we can turn this round with upgrades.
I am hoping that a change of management in a no nonsense Frenchman will change the culture to" we can do this" instead of "we are working on next years' car"......................
If we continue to bring upgrades there's a chance we can compete.

[mihirshah28186]

The problem is not with the wind tunnel correlation. Problem is with Ferrari it self. How many good engineers are there at Ferrari. If Ferrari does not finish first then they are fired and the never ending politics!!!! Also is Ferrari running the engines at 100%, I doubt it.

Perhaps its fair to conclude that it's not the tool that's the problem...