Here is something interesting, the average Safety Car period, excluding ones that had a Red Flag lasted just 3.11 laps in 2021.
Anyone that thinks this race should have ended under a SC is out of their mind. The SC came out with 5.5 laps remaining, and they had to move 1 car about 30 feet behind a barrier. It's not unreasonable to say there should have been 2 racing laps to finish the race.
You wouldn't find a single post from me where I've said "I want Ham to win the WDC". Unlike you ofcourse, every posts of yours are pretty much Verstappen fan service. And I've said "Verstappen fans", wasn't mentioning you or anything, but you've clearly felt that I was calling you out or something. Pretty much says it all.
I wouldn't spend too much time with your hyperboles and other mumbo-jumbos. You should ask yourself, why the FIA changed the SF car procedure? Why only the cars between Ham and Max were allowed to unlap? why the cars between Carlos and Verstappen weren't allowed to unlap? Why give one driver a big advantage while seemingly ignoring others? And why the unlapped cars weren't allowed to join the queue?
The FIA's job is to ensure the safety and make sure that the racing remains fair and authentic. They gave Max the free rein to attack Ham while protecting him from those behind. Why Carlos and those behind him weren't allowed to join the fight between Ham and Max?
My and majority of F1's concern are quite simple. But those who're blind of Max cool aid can't see it.
Yeah, it feels like arguing with a bunch of kindergarteners here. Can't even articulate one single post without resorting to whataboutism and other silly stuffs.
The FIA clearly handed Max a huge gift. They cleared the cars between him and his title rival while keeping other lapped cars behind, so that nobody bothers him at the start.
So you refuse to answer my questions? I touched on both sides of the argument in my post race review. But answer my questions, and I'll answer anything you want.
Here's a couple of added points. The average SC length this year has been just over 3 laps, so why did it require 4.5 laps to move 1 car like 30 feet up the track and why were the lapped cars not released sooner?
If Ferrari had been in Mercedes' position, do you guys think Binotto would have gone to court? I think he would've let it go, 'for the good of the sport'
Once again congrats to MV and Red Bull, they fought like lions against more powerful Mercedes and against some decisions they ware on Mercedes and LH way! I am not so happy that MV got his 1st, but I am SO HAPPY that LH didn't won!!!
Option-1: Red flag & restart last 5laps
Option-2: follow SC rule procedures & finish it under SC.
Option-3: let lapped cars be in between leaders & tell them to race. Because all race director wanted is to have a motor racing -> this option would have been controversial.
What massi did is, first he preferred option -3, later after Communication with RB Horner. He changed decision. So team principles are influencing race director? Is this what is needed in F1?
How many times did max push other off track & call it as racing? Brazil didn’t he get away? Monza? Jeddah?
Remember racing with Charles 2019, he pushed him off track & won the race did he get penalty?
There are lot things here & there. That’s where consistency is missing.
Masi was asked if a crash happened in that exact spot if a Red Flag would be thrown, he said no, only a safety car. That incident requires only a SC in every race. Arguing the FIA have changed their procedures doesn't hold much weight if you would like them to change their procedures in other ways.
Option 4, let the lapped cars go by much sooner. This is a question that Red Bull asked. Even Alonso couldn't believe they were not letting lapped cars go by. The average SC period for 2021 was 3 laps, there is no reason it should take 5.5 laps to remove 1 car less than 50 feet off the track. The standard practice, again that typically happens within 3 laps, is to release the lapped cars.
One cannot say Lewis was screwed over and then suggest Masi should have decided to screw Max over.
Toto went on radio telling Masi to not throw a SC during the VSC period because it was obviously hurt his driver. This was far more influencing the Race Director than anything Horner did.
I think Max pushed drivers off the track several times this season. Imola, Brazil, Monza turn 4. Jeddah he didn't get away with it, in fact he was penalized despite giving the place back twice on 3 attempts.
Lewis is not innocent here. Monza T1 probably should have been considered a racing incident, but if anyone was at fault it was Lewis but they gave a penalty to Max. Hamilton missed T1 in Jeddah which forced Max off track, and Max was forced to give the position back. Hamilton forced Max off track by deliberately not steering into the corner (like Rosberg in Austria 2016) and got away with it. Hamilton pushed Perez off the track in Turkey and got away with it.
I'm not sure why people keep bringing up Austria 2019. Is there anyone here that thinks that was a clean pass?
The point is both drivers have played dirty tricks and have not raced clean and penalties have been all over the place. This is the fault of the FIA and because of their inconsistencies, they put themselves in a lose lose situation in Abu Dhabi. The right call was to let them race the final lap. Everyone expected it, and everyone aside from LH fans wanted it. The FIA's not following their procedures in not allowing the lapped cars to go by, or by allowing only 5 cars to go by was a crappy situation, but a 1 lap shootout is what this season deserved.
I have yet to hear 1 person that was supporting Lewis admit that Lewis screwed up by leaving the door wide open in T5. Don't blame the rotten luck Lewis had with the SC coming out, don't blame the team for not putting on new tires during VSC or SC, which were the right calls, and don't blame Lewis for not doing a better job defending. Instead blame Masi for letting them race, and instead demand he screws over Max and secures the victory for Lewis. I just do not understand that mentality.
Could only imagine if the ending was reversed and it was Lewis who got the win, those defending it so stoutly today would be throwing out the tv and never watching F1 again
Massi made a complete mess of it. Letting lapped cars unlap themselves is not a rule its up to the race director, but we have never seen just a select few cars being allowed to unlap themselves.
Forza Ferrari
Almost every F1 driver has "pushed" someone off the track exiting the corner when it is wheel-to-wheel racing for as long as F1 has been around. Rosberg said it best in the pre-race commentary when he said something to the effect of "How do you officiate this procedure??" "Does the guy in front (in the lead by an inch or half a car length at that exact moment) have "the right of way" while going into and exiting the corner??? Again, this is wheel-to-wheel racing.
I don't believe in dive-bombimg the corner at high rate of speed thereby causing a collision.....this is obviously a blatant attempt and deserves a penalty.
Max is very aggressive in these attempts and he's not backing down....at least not with Lewis. Max has a Senna-esque character on the track in the corners.
Have I seen F1 drivers going wheel-to-wheel going into and exiting the corner or corners wihile both stay within the white lines of either side of the track....absolutely.
It's not how start but how you finish.
I think given that there was only 1 lap left remaining is the reason why Masi let 5 cars (the ones between Max and Lewis) go by to unlap themselves. Had there been more laps left, I'm sure Masi would have let ALL cars unlap themselves.
I would'nt be surprised once Lewis found out the SC would be on track that Lewis slowed down significantly to allow the unlapped cars to get behind him to create a "buffer" between himself and Max.......but we will never know this. It's smart for Lewis's standpoint.
It's not how start but how you finish.
Mercedes had completely "shut-down" or turned silent on their social meda page.
Other than Lewis and his father, Toto Wolff is a sore loser and claseless....to include the teams his engines operates.
It's not how start but how you finish.
One thing for sure is that Netflix has brought so many new fans to the sport who know absolutely nothing about it. All they see is Hamilton always winning and assume it should always be that way. The British media furthers the cause with painting Hamilton as a god and Verstappen as the devil. This morning on a Canadian radio station, the morning host actually said “Verstappen illegally changed his tires during the safety car and asked how was that fair”. Seriously!! This is the kind of mentality F1 is dealing with now with its sudden influx of fans. They don’t know the rules at all yet want to defend the Hollywood star. This silly season of inconsistency did nothing to help the average fan understand the sport either. The rules are changed and bent regularly and most decisions are not clear and can be interpreted many ways. Last thing I will say is that Mercedes and Hamilton have polarized the sport. Maybe it’s a result of social media, who knows.
~FORZA FERRARI~
Maybe. Ferrari make high end cars, their customer base mainly high end business people who would not appreciate the mess of going to court, it effects brand image. Wolfe is somewhat autonomous but if this impacts the Merc brand the boss of Merc will make Wolfe pull out of these court cases. In 2019 Wolfe would not stop with the insults over Ferrari's engine deal with FIA. Head of Exor spoke to head of Merc as was bad for the Ferrari brand and Wolfe was told to shut up. Binotto or any Ferrari team boss does not have the power Wolfe is allowed at Merc (Todt did back in the day) so 100 percent Ferrari would not make this a messy situation if they were in Mercs shoes....this is if course purely MY OPINION and in no way a fact.
Exactly, bad enough that he equaled Michael on 7 wdc,s; I could not bare to see Luise surpass that record...
Michael fought hard for those championships with more teams being competitive and able to fight for the same championship....whereas Luise had them handed on a platter, at least for 2 of them.....as arguably 17 and 18 with a bit more luck and less mistakes from both Seb and the team could have been ours
So 2023 started off bad, but managed to claw back some lap time come end of the year. Lets hope SF24 will give us tifosi something to smile about.
Hamilton's radio was released from the last lap. Unbelievably he said "the race is being manipulated"!! Really LuLu? I guess he would know, he should be an expert on race manipulation over the last 8 years of only 1 car and 1 team being allowed to win and benefit.
~FORZA FERRARI~
That's a bold assumption. Based on the last decade and a half, I'd say the chances of Ferrari being on the receiving end of a title decider are pretty slim.
Only AFTER his daddy told him to. The guy is 36 but acts like a baby and needs a talking to from daddy in order to stop being a petulant little B.
There is enough evidence to suggest that the last 7 titles have been decided by the FIA giving preferential treatment to one team over all others. How is this ANY different? It's just F1. Not really a sport anymore, it's "entertainment". Personally, I liked this episode, screw the Affirmative Action "champion"
And if my grandma had balls she'd be my grandfather. Who cares about ifs. Hamilton lost, we should all rejoice in that. The FIA has helped Lewis plenty.
I refuse to answer your imaginary scenarios. My focus is on the reality, what has had actually taken place yesterday and not some hyperbole "woulda coulda shoulda".
Again, only the cars between Ham and Max were allowed to unlap. But those unlapped cars weren't allowed to join the queue which is another breach of the 30-year old SC procedure. The FIA allowed Max to attack Ham while safeguarding him from Carlos and Co. behind. Feel free to point out any disparities/factually incorrect statement.
The FIA have deliberately changed the SC rule for Max's benefit only. And shouldn't happened in any rule based sports.
And you've been going on about your SC number. Where did you pulled that number from I wonder, do provide your source here. And since you're a number guy, what's the average SC length when the track being cleared of a stranded/crashed car? Because I would like to compare yesterday's SC length with others when there was a crashed car being cleared.
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