Ferrari F1-75 Discussion Thread

[jgonzalesm6]

And how would it not be generally perceived that the split turbo would a key to this success? To be honest, I think that was part of it as well. It is necessary, in addition to split the turbo, to reach the level of what Mercedes has developed during all these years. Honda broke a hundred engines to develop its 2021 PU, which, among other things, may have allowed them to catch up on this technology (with the help of Honda airplanes department).
As for the opinion of "journalists" (I mean the bad ones), I remember all those people (not the well informed one) who explained to me that Ferrari's return to the top, in 90 or 91, was due to the arrival of Prost , with tv saying the same. Since this time, i use to follow races without the sound
So, if the Ferrari PU show a huge progress this year (wich is very possible), and if SF show a top pace, why would it be different, knowing it would be directly following the change ?
Also mate, i know my english is far from perfect, i'm sorry, it might not transcribe well what i'm trying to say

First off, your english is quite well and very understandable to include your punctuation.

My belief is Ferrari is still following its fundamental layout with regards to the ICE and turbo components since 2014. When you have 2 engine manufacturers following a 3rd engine manufacturer who has developed the split-turbo layout of this turbo-hybrid formula since 2007, it would make sense to "do as the Romans do" that yield results.

The formula is currently in an engine freeze till 2026. IF Ferrari doesn't get the performance right in 2022, we've got 4 years of Mercedes and RedBull fighting it out. I expect Renault to catch up in 2 to 3 years time.

You know the definition of insanity??? Doing the same thing over and over and over again with very little gains in performance as it relates to F1.


I haven't seen a current Ferrari production car turbos layout but my guess would be that the turbo's are layed out next to the banks of the cylinders alongside the exhaust manifolds....which is typical and has been followed for decades.

Mercedes and BMW with regards to production cars currently, have their turbo's inside the valley of both banks of cylinders running along the axis of the engine....a more tighter package when compared to the older typical layout of where the turbos are situated.

[jgonzalesm6]

I'm italian. The video states:
-split turbo, also gained -4cm in lenght
-new floor in Bahrain
-new front sospension more rigid and higher front-end
-no other updates. Rbr and Mb will both bring b spec car

Kind regards

Thanks for the translation.......I have yet to see credible articles that would coincide with said video that was posted.

[Gilles]

Thanks for the translation.......I have yet to see credible articles that would coincide with said video that was posted.

I think it will be difficult to distinguish which article is credible. Since the turbo isn't so often well seen in the garage, it might take some time to find out the truth. I remember back in 2014 when Mrcedes used a thermal camera to film the Ferrari engine from the second floor, above their garage, to locate their turbo setup...
But who knows

[Gilles]

First off, your english is quite well and very understandable to include your punctuation.

My belief is Ferrari is still following its fundamental layout with regards to the ICE and turbo components since 2014. When you have 2 engine manufacturers following a 3rd engine manufacturer who has developed the split-turbo layout of this turbo-hybrid formula since 2007, it would make sense to "do as the Romans do" that yield results.

The formula is currently in an engine freeze till 2026. IF Ferrari doesn't get the performance right in 2022, we've got 4 years of Mercedes and RedBull fighting it out. I expect Renault to catch up in 2 to 3 years time.

You know the definition of insanity??? Doing the same thing over and over and over again with very little gains in performance as it relates to F1.


I haven't seen a current Ferrari production car turbos layout but my guess would be that the turbo's are layed out next to the banks of the cylinders alongside the exhaust manifolds....which is typical and has been followed for decades.

Mercedes and BMW with regards to production cars currently, have their turbo's inside the valley of both banks of cylinders running along the axis of the engine....a more tighter package when compared to the older typical layout of where the turbos are situated.

Since I haven't followed road car technology for years, you teach me the layout used by Mercedes and Bmw, thanks!
Then, I better understand your cautious point of view.
So I went to see what Ferrari is doing (296GTB) :
"This new V6 has been designed and engineered from a clean sheet by Ferrari's engineers specifically for this installation and is the first Ferrari to feature the turbos installed inside the vee"
Conclusion: you were right
I don't know if this is on par with the german manufacturers' layout, but even with the previous architecture, their engines are quoted as the best ones and for this new one, i would say : better late than never

[Tifoso]

I haven't posted here in a while, so welcome back everyone :)

So far so good in this pre-season, but I don't want to get carried away and think we can genuinely fight for the championship. I remember 2019 too well. Nonetheless, at worst it's gonna be a repeat of 2021, not 2020.

Welcome back!

I'm italian. The video states:
-split turbo, also gained -4cm in lenght
-new floor in Bahrain
-new front sospension more rigid and higher front-end
-no other updates. Rbr and Mb will both bring b spec car

Kind regards

Grazie fratello!

[JacKy]

Alright lads!!!

We almost there!! Can’t wait until Bahrain test!!!

[Tony]

I think it will be difficult to distinguish which article is credible. Since the turbo isn't so often well seen in the garage, it might take some time to find out the truth. I remember back in 2014 when Mrcedes used a thermal camera to film the Ferrari engine from the second floor, above their garage, to locate their turbo setup...
But who knows

Wait, what? Isn't that industrial espionage, where did you hear that?

[Grinsomx]

Wait, what? Isn't that industrial espionage, where did you hear that?

https://www.gptoday.net/en/news/f1/1...nfrared-camera
i think it comes from this story

[Gilles]

Wait, what? Isn't that industrial espionage, where did you hear that?

Unfortunately, I couldn't find it. So I can't prove that I didn't reverse the stories. In my memory, it was early 2014, during pre-season testing. The "spy" story by Ferrari was later, in November. It could have done less media impact, as Mercedes proved to be more skilful than Ferrari in complaining and making the buzz. Nevertheless, these are "common" things at this level, as this other article explains :https://www.f1technical.net/news/19842

Finally and to be totaly honest, I could also be wrong, my memory is that of a tifosi, it may lack objectivity, but I doubt it

[Tony]

Unfortunately, I couldn't find it. So I can't prove that I didn't reverse the stories. In my memory, it was early 2014, during pre-season testing. The "spy" story by Ferrari was later, in November. It could have done less media impact, as Mercedes proved to be more skilful than Ferrari in complaining and making the buzz. Nevertheless, these are "common" things at this level, as this other article explains :https://www.f1technical.net/news/19842

Finally and to be totaly honest, I could also be wrong, my memory is that of a tifosi, it may lack objectivity, but I doubt it

Ok, it seems from the other article that it was Ferrari that was caught trying to take pictures from the 2nd floor and not Mercedes.

[Gilles]

Ok, it seems from the other article that it was Ferrari that was caught trying to take pictures from the 2nd floor and not Mercedes.

True, but because Mercedes used a direct and effective way to put it in the media. As the article says, this is a trivial action between the teams, so it's likely that Mercedes did it too. This is the art of communication

[Aziz]

Corriere Della Sera on the W13 upgrades for Bahrain Tests: "The car should be almost without sidepods, thanks to a revolutionary but efficient arrangement of the radiators in the highest area of the bodywork. This has produced impressive simulator performances." "The gains are already 'legendary', worth much more than 1s per lap."
If these rumours are true the W13 could be as dominant as some of it's predecessors, but the FIA is uncertain about the legality of some cars: the new W13, and the new RB18 as well, will have to be checked

[Gilles]

Corriere Della Sera on the W13 upgrades for Bahrain Tests: "The car should be almost without sidepods, thanks to a revolutionary but efficient arrangement of the radiators in the highest area of the bodywork. This has produced impressive simulator performances." "The gains are already 'legendary', worth much more than 1s per lap."
If these rumours are true the W13 could be as dominant as some of it's predecessors, but the FIA is uncertain about the legality of some cars: the new W13, and the new RB18 as well, will have to be checked

too

[djmorin27]

like i said 2 weeks ago and if this is true above we do not have the right people inplace.and its been like this since shumys time at ferrari.best have something this week or we are playing for 3rd.better pray that engine is as good as they say.

[FerrariF60]

too

I’ll believe it when I see it....1s a lap faster.....please
They have a dog of a car and they know it....they know the Red car is the car to beat

[Aziz]

I’ll believe it when I see it....1s a lap faster.....please
They have a dog of a car and they know it....they know the Red car is the car to beat

What I don't understand is how can the car be without sidepods

[PURE PASSION]

What I don't understand is how can the car be without sidepods

Just incredible small. Something like size 0 rear end of 2015 McLAREN !!!

[Gilles]

like i said 2 weeks ago and if this is true above we do not have the right people inplace.and its been like this since shumys time at ferrari.best have something this week or we are playing for 3rd.better pray that engine is as good as they say.

we'll see, I still think it's too late to have that kind of statement

[ferrari1.8t]

Just incredible small. Something like size 0 rear end of 2015 McLAREN !!!

Again, how does this complete redesign over the last few weeks (if true) fall within the budget cap?

[Gilles]

Again, how does this complete redesign over the last few weeks (if true) fall within the budget cap?

It can have been on the way since much longer, with last minute use to hide it as much as possible
For the budget cap, it's might be late to go over, nevertheless it is quite difficult to verify it seriously, because many things could be done outside the factory, by suppliers, other group entities, etc

[PURE PASSION]

Again, how does this complete redesign over the last few weeks (if true) fall within the budget cap?

Attachment 7980
Something like this. Though I can't see any air intakes in this drawing and can't this can be cool efficient

[djmorin27]

The rules state the every car has to pass side impact and have a side crash structure so there has to be some side pod there to house that.hope red bull and mer have this to some degree wrong or it's going to be a long year.ferrari seem to think u need a strong out wash to get that invisible skirt to seal the floor.no way the bulls and mercy are sealing the floor as good as ferrari.they got to be praying to all the Flo going to the beam wing and the venturi underneath to work as good as possible.lets hope they got this wrong

[djmorin27]

To me Williams have the smallest side pod out there by alot

[Alonsomaniac]

Talking about the car.................is the name Kaspersky still on it? And if so, why?

[PURE PASSION]

Talking about the car.................is the name Kaspersky still on it? And if so, why?

You mean our car ??? I think they sign an extention of the partnership in December

[Alonsomaniac]

You mean our car ??? I think they sign an extention of the partnership in December

Yes, our car. And why the question? Kaspersky Labs is a Russian company, that's why. There even is an old connection between Yevgeny Kaspersky and the KGB.

[Gilles]

Yes, our car. And why the question? Kaspersky Labs is a Russian company, that's why. There even is an old connection between Yevgeny Kaspersky and the KGB.

I'm happy to live in such a wonderful world

[phsyklone]

I'm not worried about the Mercedes update. Nothing they do can beat our car. Their new car can be 1s a lap faster then their current car but we don't know how much lap time their current car is compared to ours. I don't think we have an average car that Mercedes can just beat with ease this season. THIS IS FERRARI we have the skills to make a fast car

[JPZ]

Attachment 7980
Something like this. Though I can't see any air intakes in this drawing and can't this can be cool efficient

According to the rules, do the cars not need to have actual working side-pods?

[Gilles]

According to the rules, do the cars not need to have actual working side-pods?

I think that the sidepods are the consequence of the need to house certain components (exhaust pipes, radiators mainly) and perhaps the ventury channels under the floor before the floors as we know today. No idea if they are mandatory, i see no reason but maybe the rules (really not sure)