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Why can't you read?Originally Posted by tifosi1993
I never said anything about any country. I said this website is starting to feel like it's being run under a dictatorship, and since the you and the owner are dictating what the members can or can't post (beyond the obvious bad language or racist statements), my statement seems relevant.
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This implies that only Ferrari topics are approved and that general F1 topics are not.
There are like 4 pages of arguing because tifosi1993 caused a huge stink over a short video. Ask jgonzalesm6 if it feels like a scalding on the barrage of negative comments you guys have given him over the video post.
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You can find many things on here not directly Ferrari topics....you yourself post a lot of them so why are you getting all upset?
I think it's clear the point being raised by others as well that a Red Bull PR advert is really not newsworthy on a Ferrari forum.
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I think it's clear the point being raised by others as well that a RedBull PR video is really "newsworthy" on a Ferrari forum. It goes both ways. (Page 38 post #1121). Some like it....some don't.
You're obvisouldy "the horse's mouth" for such things and have ultimately said it is NOT newsworthy.
Again, there is no "ENFORCEMENT OF F1 RULES ON THIS FORUM" regarding what can be posted. You think it's all common sense. Well, people have a different common sense than you.
Is this the first time this happens......probably not. As YOU yourself will have to intercede on what YOU think is common sense.
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Can we call it a day on this subject, it's hardly worth the effort playing ping-pong with one another. Mexican GP can hopefully be all the promo that Ferrari needs.
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PR advert and News are two completely different things and jgonzalesm6 also knows it quite well. News about other teams have always been posted here and will continue to get posted. But I don't think Ferrari fan forum should be turned into a Red Bull social media feed.Can we call it a day on this subject, it's hardly worth the effort playing ping-pong with one another. Mexican GP can hopefully be all the promo that Ferrari needs.
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Please......
It's ALL about F1 regardless of the team. Have you not seen the recent posts of F1 I articled???
Give it a rest already with your narrative.
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The secrets of preparing for a new F1 circuit
No Formula 1 team arrives at a ‘new’ circuit entirely unfamiliar with it. As PAT SYMONDS explains, simulation and artificial intelligence does the hard work even before the driver takes their turn
The 2020 and 2021 seasons will be remembered for many things, including the significant disruption caused by a calendar that often shifted in response to an ever-changing pandemic. While nothing good came out of the global crisis, F1 fans were at least able to enjoy their sport and see some variety compared with the formulaic calendars of the previous few years.
Imola and Istanbul were reintroduced in 2020, while F1 raced at Mugello and Portimao for the first time. This season, Jeddah in Saudi Arabia and Losail in Qatar have been added, as well as returning again to Imola, Zandvoort, Istanbul and Portimao to help achieve a 22-race championship.
One might argue that Imola and Istanbul are not new to F1, and cars have tested at Mugello and Portimao in recent years, but while historic data provides an indication of what may be expected of a track, cars and the tyres have changed so much in the intervening period that much of the data is comparative and anecdotal, not quantitative.
So how does a team go about preparing for a new circuits? The answer, of course, lies in simulation – but the initial work will not be done on a simulator, it will be done on a computer with a ‘virtual’ driver so that set-ups and driving lines can be optimised without the initial distraction of subjectivity.
In order to start this simulation, the standard car model will be used, generally with a known set-up that might have been used at another circuit with similar corner speeds and lengths of straights. This will provide a good starting point for the iterations that are needed to get close to an ideal set-up. The car model itself will be extremely sophisticated. Such is the computing power available these days, that is no problem. The first lap time simulation I used was in 1986 and, although it only optimised about five different aero levels and the gear ratios, it took all night to run. Today the simulation will analyse a lap in much less time than it takes to drive it.
This first simulation sweep will still concentrate on wing levels to get the right compromise between downforce and drag, but will now be able to adjust all the other settings on the car – such as rideheights and spring stiffnesses – to obtain an optimum. Unlike our early simulations, which always drove the car over a racing line that the engineer would determine by eye, these days the minimum lap time algorithms will seek the ideal racing line for each different set-up to ensure maximum performance.
Of course a good car model and an ‘artificial intelligence’ driver are of no use if we can’t accurately describe the track itself, and in these early runs we may not have particularly sophisticated track information. For a new circuit, the first information the teams will get is a 2D architectural map which they then have to digitise, converting the track limits to X-Y coordinates over the entire area. This early map may or may not have elevation information as well – often this comes in a later version. As the map will generally be based on what the architect intends for the circuit, long before it is actually built, it certainly won’t have all the details of the kerbs so the simulation will generally assume the car stays entirely within track limits.
Simulation is a double-edged sword. Teams love it as they strive for perfection in a controlled environment, but that reduces jeopardy, which in turn reduces the appeal for spectators
The first stage of the investigation will generally look at a multi-factor optimisation. For this, the engineer will set certain bounds of a number of parameters that can be altered. For example, they may set the front rideheight to be investigated between 15mm and 20mm, the front roll stiffness between 1 and 1.2 Newton meters per radian, and the downforce to be in the entire range the wings designed for the car can obtain.
It would not be unusual to allow nine or 10 set-up parameters to be investigated this way. The simulation then automatically runs many combinations of the variables and presents the results in a specific type of diagram (below), where each of the input parameters is displayed in multiple axes alongside the output parameters such as lap time, maximum speed and end of straight rideheights. At first sight this might look like a spider's web, but a little inspection shows the trade-offs between lap time and end of straight speed, to name but two.
From this, a basic set-up is adopted and it’s time to move to the full simulator. This is sometimes known as the ‘driver-in-the-loop’ simulator, as the inputs and line seeking algorithms of the first simulations are replaced by a driver using visual and vestibular feedback to drive the car. At this stage a lot more detail is needed, and lidar scans of the circuit are used to give photo-realistic scenery and track markings. This adds a lot to the computing power needed, as does simulating the engine and transmission dynamic responses – which will be done by a control unit identical to that used in the real car.
The driver now works with the engineer to hone the set-up to his or her liking. Lap time is the ultimate goal, but using the same data analysis tools as they would use trackside, the engineering team will also examine factors such as stability, tyre energies and even, if the scenery detail is good enough, practice the pit entry for faster pitstops.
Simulation is a double-edged sword. Teams love it as they strive for perfection in a controlled environment, but that reduces jeopardy, which in turn reduces the appeal for spectators. However, the genie is out of the bottle. Simulations will only become more sophisticated in the years to come.
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/th...rcuit/6722030/
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Sainz calls on Ferrari to analyse recent F1 pit errors
Carlos Sainz has urged his Ferrari Formula 1 team to keep working on improving its pitstops after yet another issue cost him in the United States Grand Prix.
Sainz has been hindered by slow pitstops three times this year, at the British and Turkish Grands Prix and again in the Austin race last Sunday.
The Spaniard lost some 10 seconds at Silverstone, around five in Istanbul and three in the United States.
Sainz reckons the problems have cost him "quite a lot of points".
"The pitstop, well, unfortunate again," said Sainz after the US GP. "We need to keep looking at it and we need to keep improving as a team, because we are not happy with the situation.
"It has been a few pitstops now that we have been struggling with.
"From my side, I think it's the second consecutive and the third all season, so it's quite a lot of points there we are leaving on the table due to these small problems."
Sainz finished seventh at the Circuit of the Americas, some three seconds behind Mercedes' Valtteri Bottas and seven behind McLaren driver Daniel Ricciardo.
The Ferrari driver believes the slow pitstop potentially cost him fifth place, as he feels he would have undercut his McLaren rival with a normal stop.
Sainz and Ricciardo made contact as the Spaniard tried to pass the Australian after his pitstop, but the Spaniard was unable to overtake him.
"I think I would have been fairly easy with the undercut there on Ricciardo, but it is what it is," said Sainz. "We need to keep working as a team to improve it. We need to keep improving a bit.
"There are points there that maybe this year are not so important, but if we want to be fighting for championships in the future, these are the kind of things that we need to become excellent at, and that we are maybe still lacking a bit."
The United States GP result saw Sainz drop behind teammate Charles Leclerc in the standings, having been ahead of the Monegasque since the Hungarian GP.
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/sa...rrors/6727337/
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Different rake angle in degrees and the wake current F1 cars provide in CFD.
https://twitter.com/raztaf1/status/1...604672/photo/1
https://twitter.com/raztaf1/status/1...604672/photo/2
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Technical Insight: Mercedes trick suspension could be the key to beating Red Bull
The duel between Mercedes and Red Bull is one of the most exciting of recent Formula 1 seasons. With such tight margins, small technical tweaks are making the difference on track and the momentum at the last race in Texas swung in Red Bull’s favour.
This year has been a hotbed of technical drama with a few flash points, such as flexible rear wings, rake changes and tyre pressures and now the magnifying glass has moved back to Mercedes, with its recently introduced rear suspension design.
After a showdown in Turkey, Red Bull team boss Christian Horner highlighted how their rivals car has returned to being the undisputed king of straights, attributing this improvement initially to the power unit, before turning their attention to the movement of the rear suspension.
Horner referred directly to the fact that Lewis Hamilton and Valtteri Bottas’ car uses a variable set-up in a straight line, acting on the rear suspension. The W12 lowers significantly at high speeds, effectively cancelling the rake angle.
The substantial reduction of the rake at high speeds reduces the frontal dimensions that the car offers to the air, in order to reduce the drag, to the benefit of top speed.
The dynamic set-up on the straights is in itself a completely normal practice in F1: as speed increases, a car equipped with offset wings undergoes an ever greater downward thrust, undergoing a natural change in ride height.
Given that all cars are subject to this phenomenon, what stands out is that Mercedes has been able to exploit this more effectively than others.
Since the beginning of the season, the W12 has been using more loaded rear wings than those of its direct competitor, Red Bull. The latter, on the other hand, stands out for being a car capable of generating a lot of downforce from high-efficiency components, such as the floor and diffuser, thus managing to have a lot of grip when cornering without overloading the wings.
The W12, a single-seater designed to work with a lower rake than Red Bull, needs more load from the wing in order to perform better on the rear tyres. The fact of having to use more wing has often proved to be Mercedes’ downfall this season, with the black arrow slower in the high speed corners than the RB16B.
In Turkey though this wasn’t the case and from the on-board cameras directed at the rear wing it became clear how the rear suspension is compressing into the third element, lowering the entire car far greater than expected.
Anything that is considered “active” suspension, like on the famous Williams of the early 90s, is not allowed under the regulations, but as the behaviour is purely mechanical in nature, it is deemed allowable, it is just more pronounced than on other single-seaters on the F1 grid.
Mercedes appear to be running a softer set-up at the rear to achieve this and although Red Bull expressed unhappiness with it, have opted not to take any action, believing it to be completely legal.
“We don’t feel that it is illegal, no,” said Horner. “It’s something that has been used historically. We’ve seen it used by them in the past, but obviously, what we saw in Turkey was quite an extreme version of it, which that circuit seemed to allow.”
However, this “trick” that the Brackley team would have found isn’t as advantageous on all tracks compared to Turkey. In Austin, it was less evident, and the team itself diminished its importance. According to Mercedes, there will be circuits where the advantage that could be gained would be minimal, such as Mexico (due to the thinner air) and Brazil. It should however be more evident in Jeddah and Abu Dhabi, which could perhaps be the decisive race for the fight for the drivers’ title.
Red Bull’s car does not behave to differently on the straight. The higher rake angle of the RB16B means that the car designed by Adrian Newey has been specifically designed to go towards a more “neutral” angle at high speeds, just like the Mercedes.
At the kinematic level, the W12’s suspension seems to work in such a way that the change of attitude is not uniform, but more sudden once a certain speed range has been exceeded and it’s this point that Mercedes must discover, through its set-up.
https://www.motorsportweek.com/2021/...ting-red-bull/
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I'm not upset. The Red Bull Mexico video didn't even interest me, but I certainly had no problem with it and I didn't feel the need to drink a Red Bull because of it. When it turned into restricting members from posting such content that harms nobody, which then turns into a discussion or argument about what is or is not allowed on a Ferrari Forum based on if it concerns Ferrari is a bit concerning.
You as the owner of the channel should have the most interest in the topic. I would assume you have seen the decrease in people posting on this forum over the years. There used to be pictures leading up to the every event, pictures after every session. There would be pics and technical data for all the upgrades. There was a hilarious thread of memes. I believe even you used to post high res photos. It's all practically gone. Social Media and content is so much more available now, you'd think this forum would be even stronger with such posts. Unfortunately it's the opposite, and perhaps you should ask why?
But hey, it's your place and you can decide what posts are worthy enough of this Ferrari forum, just make it clear so everyone can decide for themselves if it is worth coming here or not.
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The problem as I see it ,is that this looks like people like you are F1 fan 1st and Ferrari (probably) 2nd. That's why you are easy to criticize the team and praise the other's !!! If some read your posts, we'll it's like more then half of them talking down the team and admire everyone else.
On the other hand a lot of us here are 1st and foremost die hard FERRARI fans and 2ndly F1 fan(me specially am 100% for the team and if one day they leave I will probably stop watching!!!),and we almost don't care at all about other teams!!! I respect them a lot and recognize their achievements ,but don't care to learn anything about them.
And since this is a FERRARI fan forum, we'll you can figure it out but yourself!!!!
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You've been here for quite awhile so I will say this.....Have you seen the criticism Ferrari gets from some of the members here on race day thread when Ferrari messes up or the lack of performance??? I hardly post nearly half of the stuff regarding criticism against Ferrari than some members here do on race day....and there's quite the lot.
I realize Ferrari has issues but praise them when they make progress. After all, it most certainly is not the drivers....it's the car and PU and STILL to this day needs alot of work. I could go into more detail about Ferrari but I believe you have an idea of what I'm talking about.
I got a sour taste in my mouth when Ferrari got caught cheating in 2019 and the FIA stepped in and Ferrari's performance was dismall in 2020 which was telling of what Ferrari did......currently they are trying to crawl back to fight with Mercedes and Redbull. If Ferrari's performance was supposedly so good in 2018 and 2019, why the sudden drop off in 2020??? You don't go from being 2nd in the WCC standings to dropping to 5th all of a sudden in 1 year. Let that sink in for a bit.
I respect Redbull....alot....because they do more for the fans than any other F1 team AND they are giving Mercedes ALOT of competition in 2021...to include I hope Max and RedBull beats Mercedes for 2021 as do other fans on this forum. RedBull, along with Honda, has turned it around in this turbo-hybrid era more so than any other team to compete with Merccedes because RedBull wants to win. Mclaren comes in a close 2nd of turning things around from where they started in this turbo-hybrid era. It's not how you start....but how you finish.
I'm not into heavily criticising the team on race day as some of the other members. If I'm the only one being criticized and being on this forum....so be it...people are human that are picking me out of the lot. I don't mind. I brush it off and move on.
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Social media is much more accessible that is why also with Ferrari's fortunes not being so great but there is still many members posting who have been here for many years. I never made the forum to be super popular or anything like that so it's up's and down's really don't concern me too much, but even though it's quieter now I would rather not have it deviate from it's root of being a Ferrari F1 forum. If you really don't like that then there is nothing I can do about it, but I don't see how posting a Red Bull promo advert will motivate Ferrari fans to post on here, but hey maybe you know better.
P.S the post is still there, and there has been no restrictions put on anyone so don't make up stuff that has not happened.
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1st ,to what happend in end of 2019 and 2020 on the pu front, well I have some suspicions about that "deal " and why we where so bad in 2020 but I will wait for next year to confirm it.
2ndly RBR our doing so much for the fans because it's who they are. They all about advertising in any way they can ,not only in F1 but on so many sports. If you like that it's OK but here about F1 we care about out team.
McLaren had just 1 year clearly better then us and you are still praise Tham like that are Williams/ Haas and are managing podiums on regular basis. It's what I keep telling to a lot of peaple like you (I have friends with your kind of thinking) that if I don't know you ,don't see any pictures/avatar to figure out that you are a FERRARI fan and just read your posts (as you said there're other worse than you) o would say that definitely you're a REDBULL fan, a MERCEDES fan or a McLaren fan but DEFINITELY not a FERRARI fan !! That assumption a will make if I just read your post. That's what I'm saying. You are too harsh to the team and too kind/admirable to the others. That FOR ME is not a true Ferrari fan . But that's me !!!
Ι truly don't have anything "personal " with you or any other member ,everybody can do whatever they want act as they want etc. It's just that this is a Ferrari forum and I come here as a sanctuary to find some comfort from the social abuse we take in many other forum /groups mostly general F1 ones. So to find the same attitude from some members here its a bit harsh!!! I say to myself, I heard the same things from Mercedes,RedBull, McLaren fans in other groups, from people who are genuinely Ferrari hatters and to see it here too!!!! From people who say they are Ferrari fans???!!!!! It's hard to accept it !!!!
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My avatar is the Ferrari team pti stop looking from above like you were in the Paddock Club seats with the words: "Life at the speed of F1" in the middle.
I could of changed it a long time ago....but I did'nt. It's the same avatar in the other Ferrari forum I'm in as well.
Well, I think I speak for everyone here, regardless of how you may think the harshness of the criticism is.....EVERYONE here wants Ferrari to win. Some show that criticism very harshly and some want a more positive attitude towards Ferrari. I personally understand both sides of the spectrum and sympathize more with the harsh criticism....because I was brought up that way. A "never be satisfied" attitude. Always pushing. I personally can take harsh criticism myslef because "my skin is as thick as leather."
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Some infos on the way the 2022 cars will work :
https://www.newsf1.it/f1-le-vetture-...lo-spettacolo/
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Do you not understand anything or are you being willfully blind?Please......
It's ALL about F1 regardless of the team. Have you not seen the recent posts of F1 I articled???
Give it a rest already with your narrative.
You have posted news articles about other teams, did anyone, including myself, give you hardtime because of those articles? The answer is no.
But you didn't post news articles here now did you? You've posted PR video which has nothing to do with news. Doesn't matter what they're "promoting".
And above all else, this is a Ferrari FAN FORUM. This isn't Reddit or Autosport. PR videos of other teams, no matter what they're "promoting", have no place here and shouldn't get posted.
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Ferrari doesn't see anything wrong with Mercedes F1 suspension
Ferrari boss Mattia Binotto sees nothing "wrong or illegal" in the rear suspension of Mercedes' Formula 1 car, but admits his team has not been paying too much attention to it.
The suspension of reigning champion Mercedes has been on the spotlight over the past days after video analysis showed the back end of the car drops down at high speed on the straights in order to boost straightline speed.
Red Bull team boss Christian Horner said after the United States Grand Prix that Mercedes' system "could be quite powerful" in the remaining races of the season.
"It will have a greater influence at some tracks than others," said Horner. "It was a reduced effect here [in the United States] but somewhere like Jeddah for example, it could be quite powerful."
Horner did state, however, that he felt what Mercedes was doing was within the regulations.
"We don't feel that it is illegal, no," said Horner. "It's something that has been used historically. We've seen it used by them in the past."
Binotto admitted there was nothing too surprising about the Mercedes system, and agreed it looks legal despite the attention it has been receiving.
"Honestly I'm not too interested in this discussion," said Binotto. "I'm not really following them, I heard about it.
"I do not see anything wrong or illegal in that. I mean I'm even not somehow surprised the way the car behaves."
McLaren boss Andreas Seidl said his team had also not been paying too much attention to the Mercedes' rear suspension, instead focusing its energy elsewhere.
"To be honest, I only saw yesterday I think the Sky [TV] video when the analysis was done," said Seidl in Austin. "But we didn't spend any energy yet on this topic.
"We have enough to do just focusing on ourselves and executing a good race weekend.
"So let's chat a bit about it again in a week's time, once we have looked into this as a team. And if there's actually something behind it or it is just a ghost which is going through the paddock at the moment."
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/fe...nsion/6733768/
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iv92F6ElPS8
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This was very fascinating. Their CFD simulations suggest the higher rake actually produces less downforce from the floor than a low rake. The high rakes have always made me scratch my head as pre 2011 or so, teams always got the floor as close to the ground as possible to increase the efficiency of the diffuser. Obviously the high rake gives a big ground effect on the front wing and the T tray, but in theory, the diffuser being so high off the ground should have big air separation issues. Teams have done such an incredible job of sealing the floors with vortecies.
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Mercedes uses students to "spy" other teams's radios for free :
https://www.funoanalisitecnica.com/2...l?refresh_ce=0
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The new F1 logo and image.
https://cdn-9.motorsport.com/images/...rid-logo-1.jpg
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Should really say "powered by mercedes since 2014".
Also I think Le Mans prototype hybrid engines would have something to say about the "worlds most efficient engine".
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Wow!!! Such a huge change!!! I mean really?!?!?!
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agreed. LMP1 has been the most efficient hybrid engines for over 7 years.
Domenicali has gone "woke."Wow!!! Such a huge change!!! I mean really?!?!?!
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It's like they're trying to polish a turdIt's a dying formula, has been for a while and with so many manufacturers declaring their interest in Developing a Hypercar to enter into WEC, I think those at the top know it too, the problems run deeper than what a new logo can fix!
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They should have left F1 alone, with using normally aspirated V8 engtine….who cares about a little pollution….F1 is the pinnacle of motorsports raceing…..if they want green they can do that with WEC cars….F1 fans want NOISE, and since was decided long ago that V12 and V10 were too big….at least V8’s were screamers enough and F1 FANS LOVED……INCLUDING MEIt's like they're trying to polish a turd
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I have to agree really, the emissions/fuel that F1 cars produce/use is miniscule in the grand scheme of things, maybe if they weren't desperate to cram in so many races in to the season then they wouldn't have to fly everywhere!
The sound was a big part of what made F1 exciting in the past (V10s my personal favourite) and then they stripped away all the other aspects which made a Grand Prix intriguing like refueling, being able to pick your own tyre strategy and with 2 manufacturers as well. Can't stand DRS and other artificial racing aids either. Tracks have become incredibly dull and sterile as well, there's no danger of gravel traps any more with all the concrete run off areas now.
I also agree with your point that "green" is much more suited to series like the WEC because of the much longer races and the desire for teams to spend as little time in the pits as possible but still be as fast as possible on track and the way the hybrid systems on the prototypes work helped that aspect as well.
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