F1 Engine & Component Freeze 2020 and 2021

[tifosi1993]

Yes, we need 2 tokens to upgrade the engine.

But I have a question though, what exactly Ferrari had done with the engine in the last 9 months or so. Because the current PU not only slower than the 2019 version but the 2018 version as well.

It's pretty clear now that they had to come up with a complete re-design, unlike Mercedes/Renault/Honda engines, which are upgraded and improved version of their previous iteration. It's like 2015 season, but this time they have to catch up not only Mercedes but Honda and Renault as well.

[wisepie]

Yes, we need 2 tokens to upgrade the engine.

But I have a question though, what exactly Ferrari had done with the engine in the last 9 months or so. Because the current PU not only slower than the 2019 version but the 2018 version as well.

It's pretty clear now that they had to come up with a complete re-design, unlike Mercedes/Renault/Honda engines, which are upgraded and improved version of their previous iteration. It's like 2015 season, but this time they have to catch up not only Mercedes but Honda and Renault as well.

Why would they have had to have a complete redesign, there were no investigations about our 2018 engine that I can recall, and only after the summer break in 2019 were questions being asked about our power upgrade. Can you throw any light on that aspect, tifosi?

[nani_s23]

Why would they have had to have a complete redesign, there were no investigations about our 2018 engine that I can recall, and only after the summer break in 2019 were questions being asked about our power upgrade. Can you throw any light on that aspect, tifosi?

I think they were investigating with some sensors on the battery stuff something I don’t recollect in 2018 too.

[Cavallino]

I think they were investigating with some sensors on the battery stuff something I don’t recollect in 2018 too.

Yeah the famous double battery.

[tifosi1993]

Why would they have had to have a complete redesign, there were no investigations about our 2018 engine that I can recall, and only after the summer break in 2019 were questions being asked about our power upgrade. Can you throw any light on that aspect, tifosi?

There was a investigation in 2018 as well, before the Russian GP. And in 2018 Russian GP, Ferrari was expected to lock out the front row, but we were the 2nd fastest and it turned, our mysterious speed surge (which is now turned out to be tempering with the fuel flow sensor) was missing. It returned in Maxico, was missing in Brazil and returned again in Abu Dhabi.

After the engine fiasco, Ferrari said that they were going to redesign the engine back in august last year. But clearly the "redesign" turned out to be a significant downgrade in terms of peak power.

[330 p4]

There was a investigation in 2018 as well, before the Russian GP. And in 2018 Russian GP, Ferrari was expected to lock out the front row, but we were the 2nd fastest and it turned, our mysterious speed surge (which is now turned out to be tempering with the fuel flow sensor) was missing. It returned in Maxico, was missing in Brazil and returned again in Abu Dhabi.

After the engine fiasco, Ferrari said that they were going to redesign the engine back in august last year. But clearly the "redesign" turned out to be a significant downgrade in terms of peak power.

At the USA gp in 2019 when extra sensor was put on lost top speed advantage but was still competitive so how can this engine be so bad relative to the others? Irrelevant now though as stuck with it until end of the year. Need some Rebault 2008 reliability upgrades.

[wisepie]

There was a investigation in 2018 as well, before the Russian GP. And in 2018 Russian GP, Ferrari was expected to lock out the front row, but we were the 2nd fastest and it turned, our mysterious speed surge (which is now turned out to be tempering with the fuel flow sensor) was missing. It returned in Maxico, was missing in Brazil and returned again in Abu Dhabi.

After the engine fiasco, Ferrari said that they were going to redesign the engine back in august last year. But clearly the "redesign" turned out to be a significant downgrade in terms of peak power.

I'd forgotten about the battery issue but if the battery and fuel flow investigations by the FIA didn't produce absolutely conclusive proof that Ferrari were operating illegally and had just been 'innovative', while letting Merc do all sorts with their engine and DAS systems, it now feels like a vendetta against our team! I do accept that whatever the agreement behind closed doors between Ferrari and the FIA over the fuel flow has probably thrown up something not strictly legal but it has had a catastrophic effect on our performance, which makes me think that our basic engine may never have been that good in the first place! I don't like cheating but to see our cars and drivers with their wings clipped so drastically is so painful, and there is little that can be done with the freezing of development.