AustrianGP 2020 Practices and Qualifying thread

[Cavallino]

Or maybe Alfa are running with a lower downforce setup to compensate for the lack of speed on straights.

Or maybe the engine isn't as bad as I think it is. TBH, as fans, we will never know the true picture. But the SF1000 is a lot slower than Mercedes on straights, that's pretty much clear.

Right, and the SF90 was by definition, low downforce and low drag. So it's possible it's not as bad as it looks.

Kinda wish we didn't have all these engine tracks now, like Monza and Spa. Would love to see a Monaco.

[JPZ]

Drivers don't develop cars anymore, not like they used to. If we were allowed to lap around Fiorano, this would have never happened.

Exactly!

[JPZ]

Same, I saw it in the article where Binotto confirmed there was no new engine for this race and that the engine is now frozen. If so, we can forget about F1.

Ferrari did say they were interested in competing in IndyCar as well.

[tifosi1993]

Today I have been a lot more hateful towards the team and posted some pretty bad stuffs, which I shouldn't have done.

I pretty much have forgotten that, the current SF1000 is winter-test spec. The Mercedes, Red Bull, Mclaren, Tracing point, all are effectively brand new cars. Maybe I should wait a little bit more to judge the SF1000s true performance. Let's see what Ferrari will bring in Hungary, according to Binotto, it will be pretty much a brand new car.

Edit: Meant "hateful" not "bashful", damn AI and auto correct

[Cavallino]

Ferrari did say they were interested in competing in IndyCar as well.

I saw that. I think I could get used to it.

[JPZ]

First question on Ferrari job application form, are you italian if yes proceed to next question.If no your application has been terminated.Bernie eccelstone summed it up Ferrari failure is due to the fact that it is to italian.In the Ross Brawn error they had the perfect balance now it's chaos.I do not believe one word that comes out of Binnotto's mouth he states it's all cool calm and collected crap I say it's a pizza oven with chaos and infighting.Seb should count his lucky stars he is out.I wonder what Charles is thinking deep in side another lamb to the slaughter.?For sainz is no issue he is used to being mid field or lower.The Ferrari class room needs cleaning out.

The problem with Ferrari is the leadership, the technical ability is there, in 2018 the car was good enough to win.

[Cavallino]

Today I have been a lot more bashful towards the team and posted some pretty bad stuffs, which I shouldn't have done.

I pretty much have forgotten that, the current SF1000 is winter-test spec. The Mercedes, Red Bull, Mclaren, Tracing point, all are effectively brand new cars. Maybe I should wait a little bit more to judge the SF1000s true performance. Let's see what Ferrari will bring in Hungary, according to Binotto, it will be pretty much a brand new car.

You were much more optimistic after Friday as was I, much more than other on here.

And look, not having all the aero components ready in time, with all the supply chain issues they probably had, I can understand that.

But to not have ANYTHING, that I cannot stand. If you knew that engines would be frozen, you had to do everything possible to bring out a BSpec. Atleast bring the strong suspension components they talked about. SOMETHING.

But all that said, there does look to be SOME, very little, hope for the Hungary package.

[Rishu]

I wouldn't be surprised, if something similar actually happened.

Maybe not, after getting out qualified by Norris

[WS6TransAm01]

Tell me, how will you get the brightest people to work for you in Italy? Did I have to remind you, how Newey denied the ridiculous offer from Ferrari, just because working in Italy would be problematic for him and his family? You have to be in the center of things and I don't mean to harm anyone, but Italy is not that place. Literally at least 80% of Ferrari staff is from Italy. And all the high positions. We had the best years, when Britton was our team principal, german was the driver and South African was the lead designer. We have to get the best people from around the world. The best from Italy seem to not be enough

100% spot on. By staying in Italy Ferrari limit themselves to a pool of candidates from only inside Italy. None of the top engineers seem to want to move there. They are shooting themselves in the foot and it shows.

What do we follow F1 for if its not a nationalistic sport?

How in the world is it nationalistic? I was born in Ukraine, live in the US and have never been to Italy. The closest I’ve come is my wife’s grandfather being from Italy.

Stop being silly. Ferrari can have their F1 factory in England just fine. Look at Merc? Their F1 team is in England, they don’t make all their road cars there. Ferrari can remain and Italian team, headquartered in Maranello, Road car manufacturing in Maranello but the F1 factory in England where they have a vastly larger pool of engineering talent.

[vetalo]

100% spot on. By staying in Italy Ferrari limit themselves to a pool of candidates from only inside Italy. None of the top engineers seem to want to move there. They are shooting themselves in the foot and it shows.



How in the world is it nationalistic? I was born in Ukraine, live in the US and have never been to Italy. The closest I’ve come is my wife’s grandfather being from Italy.

Stop being silly. Ferrari can have their F1 factory in England just fine. Look at Merc? Their F1 team is in England, they don’t make all their road cars there. Ferrari can remain and Italian team, headquartered in Maranello, Road car manufacturing in Maranello but the F1 factory in England where they have a vastly larger pool of engineering talent.

[Cavallino]

100% spot on. By staying in Italy Ferrari limit themselves to a pool of candidates from only inside Italy. None of the top engineers seem to want to move there. They are shooting themselves in the foot and it shows.



How in the world is it nationalistic? I was born in Ukraine, live in the US and have never been to Italy. The closest I’ve come is my wife’s grandfather being from Italy.

Stop being silly. Ferrari can have their F1 factory in England just fine. Look at Merc? Their F1 team is in England, they don’t make all their road cars there. Ferrari can remain and Italian team, headquartered in Maranello, Road car manufacturing in Maranello but the F1 factory in England where they have a vastly larger pool of engineering talent.

I completely agree we need the best talent regardless of nation.

But they can telecommute or visit, they don't need to LIVE in Italy.

Michael didn't.

Pay them enough to live in Monaco like all the F1 drivers do. Or live in Switzerland.

[Greig]

Stop being silly. Ferrari can have their F1 factory in England just fine. Look at Merc? Their F1 team is in England, they don’t make all their road cars there. Ferrari can remain and Italian team, headquartered in Maranello, Road car manufacturing in Maranello but the F1 factory in England where they have a vastly larger pool of engineering talent.

And that worked so well the last time they done it.....

[vetalo]

Today I have been a lot more hateful towards the team and posted some pretty bad stuffs, which I shouldn't have done.

I pretty much have forgotten that, the current SF1000 is winter-test spec. The Mercedes, Red Bull, Mclaren, Tracing point, all are effectively brand new cars. Maybe I should wait a little bit more to judge the SF1000s true performance. Let's see what Ferrari will bring in Hungary, according to Binotto, it will be pretty much a brand new car.

Edit: Meant "hateful" not "bashful", damn AI and auto correct

Most fans should feel the way you feel, Ferrari with all the money they get from F1, should never be in this situation. F1 should review how much money ferrari get maybe they will be more serious. these days they think they can come perform below per and get millions in extra money. this should stop

[JPZ]

And that worked so well the last time they done it.....

With John Barnard from 1993-1996?

[Ferrarichamp]

Williams have a Merc engine, and yet are so slow.

[330 p4]

Been here before, very much like 2012 when we knew car would be bad. Having the engine trick taken they have put a ton of dirty down force on. I will just re calibrate expectation for something to cheer. To be best of the rest after RB and Merc over these 2 races. No point moaning they are behind those 2 teams as until Hungary there is no chance. Hopefully can beat McLaren the midfield tomorrow and get a 5 and 6, maybe better with some bad fortune for the top 2 teams. No point criticising until we get to Hungary, if the gap has not closed by then or position the same then just remember back to 1991-1995 and 2009, 2014 which were all years Ferrari were 3rd best at best. Survived those years.

[jgonzalesm6]

Williams have a Merc engine, and yet are so slow.

Racing Point has a Merc engine and are fast.

What's your point??

[SilverSpeed]

Gains/losses for Austria qualifying vs 2019 times:

Racing Point -0.921
Williams -0.737
Renault -0.493
McLaren -0.473
AlphaTauri -0.360
Mercedes -0.323s
Red Bull +0.038
Haas +0.619
Ferrari +0.920
Alfa Romeo +1.119 #F1

[Kyss4k]

Gains/losses for Austria qualifying vs 2019 times:

Racing Point -0.921
Williams -0.737
Renault -0.493
McLaren -0.473
AlphaTauri -0.360
Mercedes -0.323s
Red Bull +0.038
Haas +0.619
Ferrari +0.920
Alfa Romeo +1.119 #F1

Now it's clearly an engine related problem.

[Stormsearcher]

Just saw quali results. yikes!! it does look bleak doesnt it? I thought all along we were sandbagging. Actually hoped we were.
In anycase, Lec might still make it in the top 5. If vettel goes for a bold strategy he might also manage 4-7 somewhere.
So damage limitation till hungary. Then lets pray the new car is good.

[Ferrarichamp]

any word from Binotto yet?

[FerrariF60]

I am so glad I have spent such a nice day out with my family, and not waste my time on that traveling circus. This is 80's all over again.... Waste of money, time, driver talent... just mediocracy.....

me too.....i watched teh quali 6 hour later....that shows how interested i am in Ferrari this year.....as soon as i saw how bad we were in winter testing....i had a glimmer of hope that Ferrari would actually try and fix some of its defficit by race ONE...but i guess i was wrong.....there is somethig WRONG in that team the way it's been managed ALL THE WAY TO THE TOP.....

and Matia is NOT the right man in charge as TP....he's an engineer....end of story

[jgonzalesm6]

And that worked so well the last time they done it.....

With John Barnard from 1993-1996?

Barnard was a loner........he did'nt work well with engineers. He ran the Ferrari Guildford Technical Office. He was no Horner or Wolff......or Brawn.

He craved recognition.....but hardly got it.

That's why it failed.

[jgonzalesm6]

any word from Binotto yet?

Yes......in a word.....disappointment.....can't hide it.

[FerrariF60]

Even worse is that we’re slower than our 2019 car.


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that's what hurts the most....you'd think Ferrari would build and improve on last years car and make it better and quicker.....YET we are a WHOLE second slower in 2020 at the same track....WOW JUST WOW.....I'VE GOT NO WORDS TO DESCRIBE MY DISSAPPOINTMENT....

[Greig]

Barnard was a loner........he did'nt work well with engineers. He ran the Ferrari Guildford Technical Office. He was no Horner or Wolff......or Brawn.

He craved recognition.....but hardly got it.

That's why it failed.

Yet Ferrari took him back and let him once again set up in England....not sure why you would compare him to Horner or Wolf lol he was a designer. He pioneered the semi auto gearbox while at Ferrari.

[nani_s23]

Toto Wolff: "I would like to cheer up everyone at Ferrari, because they are a fantastic company with fantastic people. But I have no reason to cheer up Mattia."

Attempts by Ferrari to explain that they had to catch up in terms of aerodynamics and were therefore not competitive did not go down particularly well with Wolff.

Toto:"It wasn't Ferrari that played it down, but Mattia. I can't listen to this anymore."

Motorsport-Magazin.com also reported that Helmut Marko didn't want to comment about the performance of Ferrari either...

[nani_s23]

Lewis was asked about Ferrari's surprising bad performance today and didn't want to answer it but then said it anyway

"I don't know what their main main problem is, I know it's engine."

[nani_s23]

Binotto: "At least Saturday in Spielberg has ended on a positive note for us as three of our Ferrari Driver Academy drivers made a clean sweep of the podium places in the first Formula 2 race of the season."
"There’s no point denying that this was a disappointing qualifying session. We knew the start of the season would be difficult for us and today’s result certainly confirmed that to be the case, even more so than we had expected."
"We have to analyse very carefully every aspect of our performance and compare it to the opposition, trying to understand why there is this gap."
"Now, we will prepare as well as possible for tomorrow’s race, which will be tough with plenty of unknown factors, more so than usual, it being the first of this strange season.
"We will carry out our tasks to the best of our ability, trying to get everything out of the package we have here. It's pointless to predict where we might finish and we must just try and score as many points as possible."

I don’t see him as TP in longer run. I think next year might be the last chance for him.

[T99]

Toto Wolff: "I would like to cheer up everyone at Ferrari, because they are a fantastic company with fantastic people. But I have no reason to cheer up Mattia."

Attempts by Ferrari to explain that they had to catch up in terms of aerodynamics and were therefore not competitive did not go down particularly well with Wolff.

Toto:"It wasn't Ferrari that played it down, but Mattia. I can't listen to this anymore."

Motorsport-Magazin.com also reported that Helmut Marko didn't want to comment about the performance of Ferrari either...

What happened between Toto Wolff and Mattia binotto? Never seen toto talking like that about anyone else.