I have serious doubts about 'Red Sebastian' project. He is making too many mistakes. The team has made some silly errors but so has Mercedes, the difference is due to Vettel. Baku, France, Germany, Italy it's too much.
I have serious doubts about 'Red Sebastian' project. He is making too many mistakes. The team has made some silly errors but so has Mercedes, the difference is due to Vettel. Baku, France, Germany, Italy it's too much.
I agree. I think he would have won all 4 races. So, thats 100 points, but it would have been a huge point shift. Even if he could win in Germany, it wold have been a 32 point shift in the other direction if Vettel had won, so with all those bad mistakes, he would only have been 8 points behind now. That Germany error cost him badly, it was an amateur error. He is just not good enough, I am sorry, but just not good enough. Alonso would have won all those races. Vettel is not good enough, way too many mistakes, just sad, sad but true. He had the fastest car for much of the season and he cannot win. He threw away so many points.
Baku - attacked leader Bottas, came out fifth.
France - clumsily hit Bottas and dropped from third to fifth, lucky to escape with 5s penalty.
Germany - crashed out of the lead.
Italy - spun out while battling for second, finished fourth.
This is quite a lot. The car was roughly as fast as Mercedes, one mechanical failure less, strategy-wise both Merc and Ferrari made mistakes (remember Australia, China and Austria when Hamilton lost out as well as an unsuccessful gamble for Bottas in Britain).
Alonso wasn't flawless in 2010 either but after his crash in Spa he was usually both very fast and virtually driving mistake-free. While it was a one-off in his debut season, for Vettel it is a constant theme, present in Red Bull years as well:
2009 - crashed into Kubica in Australia, spun out in Malaysia, crashed out in Monaco, ran wide from lead in Turkey, speeding in the pit lane in Singapore.
2010 - crashed into Webber in Turkey, failed to stay 10 car lengths in Hungary, crashed into Button in Belgium.
2012 - speeding under yellow in Spain, overtook off track in Germany, pushed Alonso off road in Italy, great comeback drives in AB and Brazil nearly didn't materialise due to aggressive moves on Senna.
In 2011, 2013 or 2015, when no real pressure was there, he was fine, but when the tension comes he struggles.
No mather what, I will never stop believing in Seb and the team!! We have to be there as fans in dark or good days. Glory hunter fans are the worst, they come and go.
There are a lot of points left, but at this rate, both championships will be won by Mercedes. Plenty of blame to share among the entire team. Everyone had to hit the ground running after the break, but that just didn’t happen. Regardless, I still plan on watching until the last checkered flag, even if Ferrari and Vettel are mathematically out of the hunt.
On a side note, I really hope Ferrari management scrutenizes its strategists. I can accept racing incidents, but our strategies have been terrible many times this season.
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Hamilton's pole lap 1 36s....that's when I realized the championship was lost. Their car is heaps ahead of ours. Let's not kid ourselves any more.
Even IF, and that's a tall IF, Vettel were to win the remaining 6 races and Hamilton came in 2nd place Vettel would win the WDC title by 2pts.
It's not how start but how you finish.
It's not how start but how you finish.
Don't forget China, Seb 1st and got undercutted by Bottas. In the end the SC potentially cost us as did Max spinning Seb. I still see this race win that went begging.
Baku same story, Seb comfortable in the lead. I was shouting at the tv for Seb to stay out and not to pit as he had no reason to pit as his lap times were good and LH was not making an impression on newer tyres, it was obvious Merc were going long hoping for a SC and that is what happened. Another race went begging, then add Germany, Italy etc and alot of points given away.
Seb is making mistakes because he is over compensating as the team are not operatinally sharp,as well as making them himself. Hamilton gets in the car and drives as fast as he can as someone else is worrying about strategy etc. I'm sure Seb does not have the same faith with the team he has around him.
Last edited by mizf1; 16th September 2018 at 22:36.
In my opinion, Vettel is not as good a driver as Hamilton or Alonso and the one of German weakness is performance under pressure when he fights for the championship and does not have a clearly superior car. The good news is he is historically very good after Singapore.
By the way, Hamilton got a favourable run with the stewards in 2007, especially safety car incident in Japan looked bad. Ironically that put Vettel and Webber out of the race and Kimi did gain two places that made crucial difference at the end!
Also, virtually all people complain about Spa 2008 as unfair penalty because he relinquished the place but 1) he still got an advantage because he immediately surprised Kimi and 2) no one talks about weaving four or five times on the Kemmel straight. Other penalties that year were deserved as well and pushing Glock off track at Monza was on the limit too.
Sebastian Vettel:
Russia, I think, has been getting better the last years for us, so it should suit our car as well. I don’t think we have any tracks to fear that are coming. I think our car is working pretty much everywhere and that’s a strength of our car, so no need to be afraid of what’s coming.
Seb lost roughly 40 points by driver error this year. The problem is not that amount, which is somewhat reasonable in a season, the problem is that Lewis hasn't lost. He is having a great season until now. Still 150 points up for grabs and Seb can still win it or Hamilton can still lose it.
i know you're kind of right with what you're saying, but the probablity of Ham losing are less likely given the 40 pts adv he has; NOT saying is not possible but that is just hard with the amount of LUCK he's been having.....
on the other hand, seb has to fight and win all the remaining races so he's got a lot of pressure on his shoulders, not like he's not under a lot of it already...and maybe with some luck, Merc will mess up something for Lewis, a DNF and maybe couple of weekends off at the office for him will do it best
So 2023 started off bad, but managed to claw back some lap time come end of the year. Lets hope SF24 will give us tifosi something to smile about.
So 2023 started off bad, but managed to claw back some lap time come end of the year. Lets hope SF24 will give us tifosi something to smile about.
hockenheim 2018 / China 2018 : Never forget how quick Ferrari can lose it all, be humble.
Positivity doesn't win you championships, whining about people being negative makes you blind!
lol ignore the bitter old cows ;-)
Dont see baku the same way people on here see it. Lol he made a dive for the lead when he had a chance. Tyres locked up. Would you rather he be a pensioner and sit and hold position like 99% of the grid.
Germany was his fault.
Ferrari messed him up plenty times. Plus he does not have the luxury of a butler like lewy.
Hope binotto turns to 2019 i really do. Can get a better jumpstart if we start early. Get new strategy team with some calculators and maybe redesign ferrari's development philosphy after summer break
hockenheim 2018 / China 2018 : Never forget how quick Ferrari can lose it all, be humble.
Positivity doesn't win you championships, whining about people being negative makes you blind!
lol ignore the bitter old cows ;-)
I remember there were rumors of binotto & M.A having different philosophies when it comes to the team and even people thinking binotto might get promoted to replace M.A by the Legendary Sergio.
Clearly M.A's team of strategists and philosophies of being gentleman and not working together by enforcing team orders has been a failure. Sadly i dont think the new CEO cares much so M.A will continue to use these somber ideals and lackluster brain teams next year too.
Personally hoping Binotto gets more power over the ferrari team or M.A gets a wake up call to reality that mercedes arent there to play nice or give charity on track
hockenheim 2018 / China 2018 : Never forget how quick Ferrari can lose it all, be humble.
Positivity doesn't win you championships, whining about people being negative makes you blind!
lol ignore the bitter old cows ;-)
Totaly agreeI have serious doubts about 'Red Sebastian' project. He is making too many mistakes. The team has made some silly errors but so has Mercedes, the difference is due to Vettel. Baku, France, Germany, Italy it's too much.
This is a team sport not one individual.Hope binotto turns to 2019 i really do.
Ferrari's to lose.
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