2017 Mexican GP - Race

**paolo lalli** · 31st October 2017, 04:50

If f1 becomes a willy wonkas choclate factory iam 100% certain that beyond 2021 ferrari will end its association with f1 would not surprise me if merc followed red bull is better suited to the wonka factory drinks chocolates same crap but ferrari and merc share values on the dna of f1 pure one shop breeding failing this chaio baby.

**XXX132** · 31st October 2017, 04:55

Originally Posted by Bonecrasher

What is immature is posts like this. Rapperkid indeed! Because he is black he is automatically a rapper?

or maybe because he is a wannanbe rapper..

http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrit...elease-6414634

**Schumiklub** · 31st October 2017, 07:51

Oh man. Ham fanboys still riding around on the fact that Vettel and Ham had an accident at the start saying Vettel did it on purpose.

**jgonzalesm6** · 31st October 2017, 09:08

Originally Posted by Schumiklub

Oh man. Ham fanboys still riding around on the fact that Vettel and Ham had an accident at the start saying Vettel did it on purpose.

yup, here's what happened which by the way it was all incidental. Vettel went over the kerbing in turn 2 thereby unsettling his car while on the inside line on exiting. Vettel saw Lewis to his left and on the outside line running wide giving Vettel space. Vettel immediately, "lit-up" the tyres somewhat while being unsettled and "slide" into Lewis coming out of turn 2 thereby puncturing Lewis's rear right tyre. You can see Vettel trying to correct and overcorrect on his on-board via his steering wheel.

**wisepie** · 31st October 2017, 09:35

Originally Posted by Bonecrasher

Vettel had the machinery to win this year but he underperformed in some races. Add the 2 non scores then the task became very difficult. But Ferrari had the car to win this year. The better driver + car combination won in the end. I suspect drivers like Alonso, Hamilton, Verstappen and Ricciardo would still be in the title fight if they were in the Ferrari. Vettel has disappointed, but also the team.

Agreed, Vettel did himself few favours after Baku and seemed to let the pressure get to him, add to that the Singapore mess and the reliability issues that crept in and he was getting seriously frustrated. So yes, both driver and team were on the back foot, and Kimi just wasn't close enough most of the time to help him when it mattered.

**nani_s23** · 31st October 2017, 10:10

Originally Posted by wisepie

Agreed, Vettel did himself few favours after Baku and seemed to let the pressure get to him, add to that the Singapore mess and the reliability issues that crept in and he was getting seriously frustrated. So yes, both driver and team were on the back foot, and Kimi just wasn't close enough most of the time to help him when it mattered.

Agree. Pressure mounted on him created by himself, which lead to mistakes & vulnerable.

At RB, when he's on pole. Then it's almost a race victory for Vet. He would be on cruise mode during race day.

SF70H is capable of delivering WDC title.

**Stormy** · 31st October 2017, 10:56

Originally Posted by nani_s23

I think it's not about liberty making more space for marketing of F1.
It's about the rules & revenue distribution.
1.rules includes keeping current engine architecture which mercs too would be liking. RB, Honda, Renault opposing it.
2. Revenue distribution , lot of talk going on that they would cut short bonus fee of high teams (Ferrari, mercs, RB) for cost cutting. this would not hurt mercs n RB, as they don't carry any history. But this would hurt Ferrari, this is where their marketing does go beyond + their revenue is getting done. So Ferrari SM feels they are loosing ground interms of revenue & rules dictation.

Liberty & FIA both are getting involved for 2021 reg changes. To make it more entertaining, involving other customer engines. Actually it should be FIA who need to direct the orders for 2021.

SM raised the importance of Ferrari in F1. As simple as that.

SM did raise these question and fair play to him. However, i was talking about the part where he said that Ferrari's interest will diminish if Liberty makes F1 too open.

“There is a very noble aspect to F1 beyond the things that happen on track; it’s a sport which is truly different from the others and we can’t over commercialise it. If they do that, we are off; no interest.”

It looks like SM wants to keep F1 more exclusive just like Bernie. Makes sense if you think about it. Ferrari is always more exclusive and offering way less to the media than other teams like Merc and RB.

**IulianFerrari** · 31st October 2017, 12:11

What Seb did until Singapore was very good, dont think anyone could have done better. After that it went downhill...

**Silent Bob** · 31st October 2017, 19:45

Originally Posted by nani_s23

Agree. Pressure mounted on him created by himself, which lead to mistakes & vulnerable.

At RB, when he's on pole. Then it's almost a race victory for Vet. He would be on cruise mode during race day.

SF70H is capable of delivering WDC title.

I think the SF70H was capable of the WDC in the hands of Vettel. I'm not sure how many other driver's could have kept the title race so close. Maybe Verstappen, maybe Alonso but I don't think Ham or Ric would have kept it close.

**jgonzalesm6** · 31st October 2017, 19:52

Originally Posted by wisepie

Agreed, Vettel did himself few favours after Baku and seemed to let the pressure get to him, add to that the Singapore mess and the reliability issues that crept in and he was getting seriously frustrated. So yes, both driver and team were on the back foot, and Kimi just wasn't close enough most of the time to help him when it mattered.

what he said.

Originally Posted by nani_s23

Agree. Pressure mounted on him created by himself, which lead to mistakes & vulnerable.

At RB, when he's on pole. Then it's almost a race victory for Vet. He would be on cruise mode during race day.

SF70H is capable of delivering WDC title.

yep.

**evo_spook** · 31st October 2017, 20:36

Originally Posted by Silent Bob

I think the SF70H was capable of the WDC in the hands of Vettel. I'm not sure how many other driver's could have kept the title race so close. Maybe Verstappen, maybe Alonso but I don't think Ham or Ric would have kept it close.

Sure....

I’ve not seen a single thing that has shown Vettel any better than Lewid. Blind fanboyism doesn’t win WDC.

FerrariSteve · 31st October 2017, 20:56

Originally Posted by Bonecrasher

What is immature is posts like this. Rapperkid indeed! Because he is black he is automatically a rapper?

No of course not, are you saying only black people like rapping? I mean it's not my taste but I would find that incredibly hard to believe.

**racingbradley** · 31st October 2017, 22:30

Originally Posted by Silent Bob

I think the SF70H was capable of the WDC in the hands of Vettel. I'm not sure how many other driver's could have kept the title race so close. Maybe Verstappen, maybe Alonso but I don't think Ham or Ric would have kept it close.

I agree Seb has been incredible this year and I doubt there are many drivers on the present grid who could have competed so closely with the Mercs
I cannot imagine the pressure of driving for Ferrari from within the team and the media. You only have to look at the strain on Arrivabene's face and the disappointment when one of the cars fails to reach the chequered flag.
Seb is passionate and desperate to bring the WDC to Maranello
I'm sure he feels very disappointed maybe even inconsolable.

**darkchild** · 1st November 2017, 00:22

Hamilton had few bad races where Bottas kept Vettels gap from not being bigger then it is. Vettel never had bad weekend until Singapore...

After that everything went to c.

**nani_s23** · 1st November 2017, 01:15

Originally Posted by darkchild

Hamilton had few bad races where Bottas kept Vettels gap from not being bigger then it is. Vettel never had bad weekend until Singapore...

After that everything went to c.

That's where your team mate work counts. When vet had bad day, your team mate should cover that gap. 1st part of season bottas did that. Taking couple of race wins away from vet.

**Rishu** · 1st November 2017, 05:23

Originally Posted by Silent Bob

I think the SF70H was capable of the WDC in the hands of Vettel. I'm not sure how many other driver's could have kept the title race so close. Maybe Verstappen, maybe Alonso but I don't think Ham or Ric would have kept it close.

Not sure on what basis you can say all this, let's not get blind only because Seb happens to be a Ferrari driver

**Brembo** · 1st November 2017, 06:21

Originally Posted by Silent Bob

I think the SF70H was capable of the WDC in the hands of Vettel. I'm not sure how many other driver's could have kept the title race so close. Maybe Verstappen, maybe Alonso but I don't think Ham or Ric would have kept it close.

I don't remember Lewis with #1 status during many of his titles. Anyway Max up front has everyone @ Ferrari and Merc having to be in top form or else!!

**jgonzalesm6** · 1st November 2017, 11:07

Hamilton saying he needs to "raise his game" as he see's Mad Max as a threat in the upcoming seasons. Compliment maybe??

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/13...for-verstappen

**nani_s23** · 1st November 2017, 12:20

Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6

Hamilton saying he needs to "raise his game" as he see's Mad Max as a threat in the upcoming seasons. Compliment maybe??

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/13...for-verstappen

Obvious, becoz he can't fight with him wheel to wheel.
Against vet he can moan.

**Stormy** · 1st November 2017, 13:40

Originally Posted by jgonzalesm6

Hamilton saying he needs to "raise his game" as he see's Mad Max as a threat in the upcoming seasons. Compliment maybe??

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/13...for-verstappen

Yap, everyone are scared of him.

**Rishu** · 1st November 2017, 14:17

I’d say that’s intelligent of Hamilton. He can see what threat this kid can be with an ominous looking Red Bull in 2018. But he’ll be stupid if he thinks Ferrari/Vettel can be tamed

**Hornet** · 1st November 2017, 14:45

Have to say congrats to Lewis and Merc on the title. They've done a good job in maintaining ahead of Ferrari, although we've certainly getting close to their performance level now.

Can't wait for next year, hopefully we'll take the title from them

**jgonzalesm6** · 1st November 2017, 15:50

2018 looks to be a 4 way fight.

Now that "it looks" like some of the teams have caught up with Mercedes...yes, it took Ferrari and the rest 4 years and this time Mercedes does not have a head start, no token system or 1.2 or .9 oil consumption per 100km rules, FRIC system, etc. etc.

2018 will test Hamilton's skills and talent now that the field looks to be on even terms. I believe Hamilton has talent....but deserving of a GOAT???? 2018 looks to determine that. Yes he is a 4x WDC but from my point of view, its the car and past rules that got him there; 2018 looks to be different so can't wait for it.

**stefa** · 1st November 2017, 18:13

Originally Posted by nani_s23

Agree. Pressure mounted on him created by himself, which lead to mistakes & vulnerable.

At RB, when he's on pole. Then it's almost a race victory for Vet. He would be on cruise mode during race day.

SF70H is capable of delivering WDC title.

WAS! It's all over now!

**nani_s23** · 2nd November 2017, 03:57

Originally Posted by stefa

WAS! It's all over now!

Yeah grammatical mistake

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**Stormy** · 2nd November 2017, 13:02

Originally Posted by stefa

WAS! It's all over now!

It's good the regulations are not changed significantly for next year though. We should keep the momentum into next year.

**jgonzalesm6** · 2nd November 2017, 15:28

Originally Posted by Stormy

It's good the regulations are not changed significantly for next year though. We should keep the momentum into next year.

next year won't be about racing, it will be about grid penalties since we go down from 4 to 3 component allocation allotments....crazy; what has this sport turned into all within 4 years.

Oh sure, it will be about sector times and speed traps, but when somethings goes in the components, all that other stuff is out the window. We will be more focused on how many components is that???? how many grid spot penalties now??