Wowwww made my day. Thanks.
The same question which I asked to my frnd 'dark child's,
Asking you again wt happened to vet in 2014 vs ric. Same car ?
And you said Alonso had good car in 2007. Everyone here knows the story of Dennis supporting ham. I got a point from your statement. Which is vet in 2010 vs Alonso ....
But still Alonso took to the last race, if not pit strategy error. Alonso would have won 3rd WDC in non best car vs RB beast.
In 2012 too he had the best chance with that good car vs beast. N you say not best racer, not best in wet. Gr8
Did you watch Alonso wet race starts & wet racing ???
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This is a very petty excuse. If Ric who was a newbie in a new team can adapt then so should a 4 time world champion in a team he knows very well. This is a huge smear in Seb's career and it would be interesting to see a rematch in the same car. (same goes for Lewis vs Alonso) I'm not saying Ric is the better driver, but just saying that he managed to defeat Vettel, a four time world champion in the same car. Nevertheless, everyone deserves a rematch, so it would be interesting to see Ric and Seb in the same car again. If Max goes to Merc 2019, signing Ric would be nice.
As for Ric, his reputation might go down the drain if Max keeps constantly beating him. Max is a beast, if it wasn't for those technical DNFs, Ric would've been nowhere this season. Hope Ric can redeem himself as i'm rooting for him over Max. Like Ric's character more.
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After Dennis was blackmailed by Alonso.
Let me guess you will be okay if you were blackmailed and threatend? What people dont seem to understand is that Alonso is getting his karma for the things he did Blackmail and using Ferrari stolen IP, Sinngapore 2008 and a raft of other things. He will be the moses of F1 - moving from one team to another team never to get that promised land of another WDC.
I have high hopes and confidence that we will win 2018. I think the team is going to get a lot stronger and better. The car will evovlve while Merc will struggle to with their car.
Its lousy excuse yes, but Kimi lost to Massa in his 3 years together (when taken average) and Alonso straight out lost to Hamilton in championship winning car. Im not saying Vettel is better then Ric but alot of luck and little pieces fell into place for Ric in that year as well.
As for Max I think he woild straight out beat every driver out there next year. Would LOVE to have him at Ferrari.
Ham lost to Rosberg last year. Does that mean Rosberg is better ???
And you were saying, Alonso lost to ham. So equal on points means lost.???
And Some one is saying some blackmailing stuff.
He wasn't getting the preference that he used to get being 2WC. He expressed his feelings. From 2nd half of season Dennis took ham side n was giving ham preference in terms of pit stop strategies. Even Dennis admitted that recently when he re-signed Alonso to McLaren .
IMO, Alonso lost his "will" to race after knowing his boss, RD, favoured a rookie over him.....hence that whole fiasco between Alonso and Mclaren as a form of payback. Alonso paid for it though....big time....and still is.
Seb and Alonso in todays car....yep, both titles would be tight with the Mercs.
My point still stands. Alonso was slower then Ham who was rookie coming into F1. It would be similar if Max came as rookie (not from STR, but 100% rookie) into Merc and got Hamilton shooked.
Alonso for me is BEST RACER and teamates cannot beat him in bad car. But he likes slight understeer, he can drive around problems, but when car is perfectly inline with what driver wants he would not beat at least 3 drivers on grid (Ham,Max, Seb and Ric) in qualis. Therefore with these new cars he would struggle to take on them starting from 2nd place.
Rosberg is fine fine driver but even in 2016 he needed perfect reliability and Hamiltons worst luck (4 DNFs I think) to barely beat him. He did beat him in 2014 in qualis fair and square but his race craft was not top form before 2016.
In any case drivers go through motions and ups and downs. Vettel was flat out best driver till Monza
He didnt make a single mistake bar Baku (which was road rage not driving error). He also had worse luck then any of front 3 (double change of engines before summer) yet all he got was 1st and 2nd places. Hamilton for all his good performance drove best car in Q and when he was out of shape (something vettel never was this year) Bottas covered him (Russia, Austria, Spain and Bahrain). Kimi didnt do the same for Vettel.
For me Vettel Alonso pairing would he toxic but incredibly fast. In great car would definitely pick 7yr old younger Vettel though just because he would nick him in qualis.
Nope, I am just arguing against your reason for Ricciardo being on the podium often this year. He just benefited a lot from other misfortunes.
Baku Ricciardo won and he was way behind Max. Max retires with car issue. Bottas takes himself and Kimi out first lap. Lewis headrest issue. Vettel front wing + penalty.
Canada, Max damages Vettel's front wing and sends him to the back, then Max retires with car issue a few laps later (again was in front of Ricciardo)
Monaco, Verstappen in front of Daniel. Red bull botches his pit stop, undercut fails and Max is stuck behind Bottas.
Singapore Vettel, Kimi, Max retires in first lap crash.
Spain, Bottas hits Kimi which in turn hits Max on first lap. Max and Kimi retire, Bottas later retires with engine issue from P3.
etc, etc...
Ah that explains why Ron hampered Lewis in Monaco? LMAO!
Dont let the facts get in your way. The truth is Alonso wanted CLEAR 100% number 1 status, like he had with Flav and later had under Ferrari - you the know, the "Alonso is faster than you!" kind of NO 1 status or change Massa gear box so Alonso could move up the grild kind of status. Ron said no and wanted eqaul opportunities for both drivers but Alonso went mad. Offered money to McLaren mechanics while he and Pedro DLR poured over stolen Ferrari secrets. Alonso's final ace card to get Ron to meet his demands was to threaten Ron with exposure over Ferrari's stolen date unless he got his demands met again. Ron reported the incident to FIA and McLaren fined $100m (Which Merc took on most of the bill - and they never forgot about that with Alonso)
Yeah nice to keep up the bs excuses though about Ron favouring Lewis because he refused to be blackmailed lol
Race-craft.....both are equal but would lean towards Alonso a bit since he is driving with mid-pack traffic most of the time with that POS of an engine.
Emotions on the track with regards to grid spot penalties.....again, Alonso over Vettel because Alonso gets frustrated with that POS engine but seperates it on the track even though he gets passed up. Vettel was close to a race ban.
Points.....tough one.....I would put them about equal give or take +/- 5-10pts provided no mech. DNF's.
Can someone please explain to me what all this nonsense between who is faster/better driver has to do with today's race?!?
To me it is simple! Built fast and reliable car, and than Carlos Sainz will win WDC!!! By the way I think he is a good driver
Even ham needs same treatment in mercs, vet in RB. So no exceptions. Every team has that no.1 status. When they have good n quick car.
If RB had quick car this season, they would have given max much preference. Which ric would have made his decision to move other team. As ric is getting much needed preference he's happy over there. See in 2019, drivers shake up will happen.
Yes, Max would have shaked Hamilton as a rookie coming into Merc.
Rosberg, great driver...........no passion though to stick out another year. He got a WDC (his wish) which puts him on a list most could never get; rarified air.
Vettel has a culmination of personal issues to get control of......Just like Lewis and Bottas this year which all stems from the Mercedes camp about "race-ettiquet" on the track. Rigid and Frigid and somewhat error free if you ask me.....but it gets crucial pts.
Vettel and Alonso...yeah, team orders would have to be adhere to.
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