Learning with Seb as a #2 driver is what I don't believe Leclerc is open to. He will want to race to win , not out there to get Seb the win or the podium. Ricciardi for sure believes he's #1 material. I believe Antonio G sees Ferrari as " Home to him!" #2 driver spot @ Ferrari is heaven to him.
I'm pretty sure they will let him race to win. If he's fast enough to win & beat Seb, I don't think Ferrari will hold him back unless it's late in the season and the title depends on it. The only drivers that get Rubenized are the ones that can't win regularly and prove to be consistently slower than their team mates. In my humble opinion, most #1 drivers have earned that moniker by being the best in their team. But.... good #2 drivers are essential to a team, and Rubens was one of the best.
Some Renault boss said that Alonso is not option for them, because he does not want to see frustrated Alonso in their car.
Alonso is better off competing in Indy than with Williams in F1 to be honest. However, the money is better in F1 because if he really makes a switch to Williams he'll get a huge salary out of Stroll's daddy pocket.
Alonso with 05, 06 F1 WDCs, a drive with Indy Car if he wants it and a few $$million in the bank and still with a F1 ride, that's not a bad place to be today. The worst place I can remember Alonso being was at Monaco quali when Schumy delberately stopped his car on the track to stop Alonso from pole!
Yeah, seeing you are an Alonso fan over Ferrari I get your point. Or more a Schumacher hater than Ferrari fan. I dont know which it is....probably both.
And worst of all - you hate Schumacher because of team orders and what they did to Rubens. But hail Alonso despite what team orders favouring Alonso did to Massa.
Hypocrisy at its worst. Its beyond absurd. But I reckon your Schumacher hate is so strong logic does not apply to you.
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You´ve been bashing Schumacher constantly since joining the boards and with Michaels current condition, I wish you could stop as its painful enough for some of us, but I guess you just can not contain yourself from it :(
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"Formula 1 is not a sport anymore” - Fernando Alonso
Hey! You forgot Austria 2002! What a driver does while racing is open for discussion here. Off track should be of limits. That's where hatred or dislike of a driver comes in. An example would be talking bad about how a driver dresses or who they associate with in their private life off track. A good example is how Lewis and Seb get along so well after the race. No hard feelings. Just check out the overwhelming well wishing here for Lewis breaking the pole record. True F1 fans besides Ferrari! Lesky, your logic just don't apply here. Go Kimi ! Go Seb! Ferrari's still in it!
I am Alonso Fan, no matter what team he drove for. But i feel his chances are drenched and drained out! he cannot go to Merc or Ferrari or Redbull. Assuming he waits with Mclaren, there wont be any change next year as well. I think it could be even more worst.
Best possible thing he could do is leave F1, many may say he still has the skills to be champion which i believe so, but if we keep heart out and think! he cannot win again in this situation. Forget about championship, not even a race win. - This is hard to digest for me as well.
He is blamed for his decisions, but the true mistake is driving the car beyond its capabilities. This is what happened at ferrari from 2010 to 2014. If he could have shown same performances like massa and kimi, the situation would have been far better. I am not a whole expert, but this is what i felt to write.
Mclaren will never give him any good opportunities to win, as the smoke has stopped and we could see fire between Mclaren and Honda.
I have a doubt, if anyone has good knowledge about these my questions, please share them.
1. Alonso has not driven far superior car in his career, except for one year 2007.
2. based on above point, does he has the technical skills to set up car or give feed back on car performance?
3. If he has those skills, why was his marriage with Ferrari failed even after 5yrs?
4. i suspect, that he does not have that much skills, what ever car he gets he will drive and drive with will and passion.
Cheers :)
Austria 2002 has nothing to do with Schumacher and everything to do with Team Principal. However in your head, again it has something to do with Schumacher, cause it just has to, because Michael Schumacher is the source of all evil in your world.
"If someone said to me that you can have three wishes, my first would have been to get into racing, my second to be in Formula 1, my third to drive for Ferrari" - Gilles Villeneuve
Alonso shud stay with McLaren. They will find a way. They will be in better shape than Renault or Williams next season. But seeing as how he is the worst at picking the right moves, he might shift to another team, Mclaren will find the missing link and stoffel will take WDC next year.
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at age of 36, going to 37 next year. he is nearing retirement. The reason he never coming back to ferrari, its because he will work the kimi role to vettel ( be a second driver).
It does make some sense if you look at it from a different perspective. If Mercedes win the development race, then we will finish 3rd and 4th in the WDC, so WCC would be out of the question. Elsewhere It's true that Kimi could have done better at the start of the year, but WCC seems hard to obtain even with those points. Mercedes are dominant in more tracks than we are, so 1-2 are more likely for them to happen. Whereas if you put all your strenght in one driver, give him full support, he might just hang in there and get a surprise win, because in my opinion, if Vettel wins the WDC it will be a surprise at this point.
I don' t see how that is.
Vettel / Alonso is not a pair that could possibly win Ferrari a WCC.
The ego on these two is too big and there would be too much conflict.
In order to win a WCC you need a very strong car and two drivers that can both deliver but at the same time one that has a clear #1 in order to get the WDC and one that has a #2 and support the WDC race and at the same time strong enough to get #2 places in a constant basis.
This is how it was done with Irvine, this is how it was done with RB, this is how it was done with Alonso and his team mates.
Can you seriously tell me that it could be done with Alonso and Vettel?
"If someone said to me that you can have three wishes, my first would have been to get into racing, my second to be in Formula 1, my third to drive for Ferrari" - Gilles Villeneuve
Maybe I misunderstand, what do you mean by :
commenting after:To me it looks like Ferrari are more keen on keeping Vettel happy rather than going for WCC
?at age of 36, going to 37 next year. he is nearing retirement. The reason he never coming back to ferrari, its because he will work the kimi role to vettel ( be a second driver).
"If someone said to me that you can have three wishes, my first would have been to get into racing, my second to be in Formula 1, my third to drive for Ferrari" - Gilles Villeneuve
I could be wrong here but like I said Vettel wants Kimi because he doesn't want challenge within the team. Why do we need a 'wing man' here? I know that's how Ferrari have been working in the past with Michael, Fernando but times have changed now, competition is close if not better, we have to have best in every department in order to secure both titles. If it really was about one year contract, give that young kid Lecrec a one year contract. It's not that difficult anymore to jump in F1 cars theses days, Max & Ocon being good examples
I don't even think it's Vettel's decision. I think the team has decided that Vettel is the best driver out there for them and they want someone in the other car to support him. This allows the team to keep it's harmony because it seems Seb and Kimi get along well. 2 primadonnas in 1 team hasn't ever worked well... Senna, Prost...Alonso, Hamilton... Hamilton, Rosberg etc
I have read & heard from multiple sources within the paddock that once Kimi was announced for 2018, Vettel was expected to sign multi year deal, this clearly shows Vettel made a request. You're right it's not his decision but team's but like I said earlier, it seems more of a pleasing your star driver rather than gunning for constructors title.
It's hilarious the way people keep acting as if "multi 21" showed that Vettel was the favored driver at Red Bull ... when the team order in question was an attempt by the team to give Webber the win! That's a very peculiar way for RB to signal their preference for their (at the time) 3xWDC.
Yes, I've never been an Alonso fan, but even I can see the guy is one of the top drivers in F1 and his talents are utterly going to waste right now in that heap of junk.
I would have loved to seen him alongside rapperboy at Merc, but Toto doesn't have the guts to sign anyone that might threaten goldenboy.
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