Ok our new troll, Merc just asks the driver in front to move over. Remember last year Monaco??? This year Bottas-Hamilton?
Vettel was not just faster for 4 odds laps. Didn't you see how he put 12+ seconds gap to Kimi till the safety car?
If it was clear to RBR, why did they pit Verstappen? Also why did Mercedes feel the need to respond to Verstappen stop with Bottas?
Your favorite driver was not fast enough today, move on...
Kimi was impressive in qualifying but simply outpaced by Vettel today. Anyway great to see a Ferrari 1-2, it has been a while...
No it's from the autosport forum. you guys don't care who wins as long as it is a Ferrari driver. No matter if they are treated fair.
You're totaly biased. I'll come back when Max races for Ferrari against the wonder boy. that would be fun.
This probably was Kimi's best chance of a win this year and he didn't take it, and thats why Vettel is our number 1, he takes everything he can get and works hard for it! Kimi didn't fight after the pits, just gave up and accepted 2nd
Watching live it looked to me as if Raikonnen got the short end of the stick, but in hindsight Vettel was just quicker. I think it would have made no difference if he pitted before Kimi.
Max is a sour grape. I think he is implying conspiracies with some of his words and body language in his post-race interviews.
The second placed drivers from both Ferrari and RB (Seb and Daniel) overcut their leading drivers (Kimi and Max) after the pit stops. Do you really think Ferrari and RB would have foreseen this and yet put their leading cars on a less optimal strategy? Today, it simply was that the overcut ended up being the way to go and it was tough luck for the boys in the front, but thats racing.
Remember Spain last year when it conspired the opposite way when Max and Kimi got the better of Seb and Daniel. What goes around comes around.
Think if Kimi pitted one lap after Seb he would still be in the lead and win the race, it was the simple solution and not covering Bottas, who was not the main threat, from the driver win perspective. But the fact of the matter is Kimi had to open up a gap and he just had 1 sec, he knew he needed a gap to win, he didnt get it and Seb won. Too much talk about this.
Wow!! We get the first 1-2 in 7years and rather than celebrating people are squabbling! Pretty sure this is a FERRARI forum! The team did a great job today and we shouldn't forget that given less than six months ago people on here were wondering where the hell the next podium was coming from!!!
Kimi did well yesterday in qualy but his pace today wasn't strong enough... he was slower than the fresh tyred bottas and max so ferrari called him in. Don't think anyone thought that Seb would drop into low 15's but did so and had to stay out because ricciardo was doing awesome times too. I like Kimi but today just wasn't his day. It wasn't team orders - they just wanted to ensure a one - two and that they did. I'd rather vettel won because all the moaners today would be singing a different tune come November if he finished second today and lost the title by 6 points.
Murray - "...and there are flames coming from the back of Prost's car as he enters the swimming pool!"
James - "Well, that should put them out then"
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1I dislike Ferrari action. Far too early for teamoders. After maybe 10 or more races it can for myopinion be ok. I fear potentially nice season is now over and its one more 2 horse race this time diffrent teams thought. Poor thing for sports (some Hamilton / Vettel fan may be diffrent story). I haven't seen Kimi so Angry. Well only small part of F1 is sport and bigger part business. Bottas and Kimi would still have had fair change to WDC. Now it has been taken for sports fans. Sad day for sports. They never learn in Ferrari. Kimi changes in end of 2007 was in theory far lesser. We know outcome. Lets see how motivated Kimi is in future. I hope still bit.
It seems like Ted Kravitz from Sky is not extremely biased after all. I just watched his notebook and he said that Ferrari did the logical thing pitting Kimi at that time as Mercedes were also trying to undercut with Bottas. Who would've knew staying out longer would've been better? Merc and RB definitely didn't...
And no need to feed this new troll here.
Wow this has got to be the worst 1-2 in the history of the Scuderia! I don't get why we are debating a non-issue, instead of celebrating our first 1-2 in a looooong time.
Team orders weren't in play today. The team pitted Kimi first to cover both Verstappen and Bottas. If you watched the race, these two guys were leading their team mates and were trying to undercut Kimi. Ferrari reacted by giving preference to the lead driver,, hence Kimi's pitstop. It turned out that the undercut didn't work for all three drivers- Kimi, Verstappen, and even Bottas. Even Max got frustrated and said colorful words on the radio when he found out that Ric got ahead of him.
Now how did Kimi lose the lead? First, it was due to the backmarkers. It took him a while to overtake them which helped Vettel and even Bottas to close the gap. When he had clean air, Kimi did not capitalize and from then on, it was already too late as Vettel stuck behind him until Kimi pitted. Second reason is that once Kimi pitted, Vettel had a clear track and did monster laps which was enough to get ahead of Kimi after his own pitstop.
If their places were reversed, I'm sure they would have pitted Vettel first to cover the other lead drivers of the rival teams. The team wouldn't have known that the overcut is the better strategy either way.
Sure Kimi is disappointed now but if he would look at the telemetry, he would realize that Vettel outclassed him in this race and no team orders were in play. I sure hope he doesn't lose confidence with the team and not get demotivated as we need him to win the WCC.
Team orders would have made total sence today anyways. I don't think they did but it worked out anyway for Ferrari. We would look silly if we lost the WDC by a few points at the end of the year if we didn't do it today. I don't care who wins the races but it needs to be RED.
You do realize this is pretty much how Max won in Spain last year too, right? Ricciardo and Vettel were ahead of their teammates and they were doing the standard strategy that was expected to be preferable. Then the team gave Verstappen and Raikkonen the alternative strategy which suddenly gave them the advantage (and Verstappen the win) over their teammates. Sometimes it's not clear which strategy is the best. People tried the undercut as well today if you paid any attention to Max's race too, but they couldn't make it work.
Also, funny that you've come to the Ferrari forum and you are calling people "biased". What a surprise!
Never mind that no human being can ever be objective anyway, but you sure sound like you believe you are.
But you are trolling, so it doesn't matter what anyone says really...
The only way Ferrari could've fixed Seb to win is if Kimi was driving slower on purpose, that's the only way. Kimi's strategy made perfect sense.
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