Felipe Massa sucks, says Suzie

[Jas]

Kimi is not going to Ferrari, end off!! He likes Lotus and he's treated as the number 1 driver to an extent, at ferrari, alonso will not allow that!

[F2002]

Why has this thread changed to a discussion about Kimi ?

[Suzie]

As for "rumoury", I'm guessing it's some sort of local slang that hasn't made it into a dictionary... yet!

No.

[Hornet]

there are team orders, I think if given equal treatment massa can beat alonso on many days.I would say afer fighting for title, i dont think massa is type of person who accepts being 2nd fiddle on any team

You are contradicting yourself. You're saying Massa won't play 2nd fiddle, so he stayed with big bad Ferrari who is treating him like one.

[Hermann]

You are contradicting yourself. You're saying Massa won't play 2nd fiddle, so he stayed with big bad Ferrari who is treating him like one.

People are just making up things. How often have i seen in forums how they spin their own stories about what a certain driver thinks, feels, and what not, and then they even start fighting about their own invented stories

Actually, the only fact so far we have is: Ferrari allowed the contract option to expire.

[Greig]

Why has this thread changed to a discussion about Kimi ?

It's hard to let go for some, it's bizarre that his fans don't seem to be happy with him performing at Lotus and still live in the past.

[Katu]

Why has this thread changed to a discussion about Kimi ?

because Kimbots like to take over

[flam147]

if my memory serves me correctly then Fernando had a contract with Renault for 2010, it's not like he was out of job for that season they needed to replace Kimi asap. i don't think you can say 'the only reason' - you know some more information than we don't? i don't think it's so safe to say that Kimi's laziness wasn't the problem he was indeed sacked!
so you are not bashing Massa, but you are playing the pitty card. oh poor Kimi - won a WDC for us and still got sacked because Ferrari was loyal to Massa... unbelievable really

was part of the reason getting sponsorship with santander ?

[Katu]

was part of the reason getting sponsorship with santander ?

they would have gotten it anyway, in 2011, if Kimi wouldn't have been sacked. one year here or there, they were pretty desperate to get rid of him apparently

[scuderiaferrari]

Felipe will be driving for Ferrari next year.

[sagi58]

if my memory serves me correctly then Fernando had a contract with Renault for 2010, it's not like he was out of job for that season they needed to replace Kimi asap. i don't think you can say 'the only reason' - you know some more information than we don't? i don't think it's so safe to say that Kimi's laziness wasn't the problem he was indeed sacked!
so you are not bashing Massa, but you are playing the pitty card. oh poor Kimi - won a WDC for us and still got sacked because Ferrari was loyal to Massa... unbelievable really

Katu, I sincerely hope you are going to consider a life in the political arena! You have a strong penchant of taking comments made by others and twisting them to suit your own perspective. It would be "unbelievable really" if you don't make use of such a talent!

Forza Katu!!

p.s. NO one "needs" to get rid of anyone to the tune of approx. 17 MILLION euro. I doubt Ferrari would literally throw that kind of money out the window. So, it's relatively safe to assume the reason would have been to get Alonso to Ferrari.

[sagi58]

As for "rumoury", I'm guessing it's some sort of local slang that hasn't made it into a dictionary... yet!

No.

Suzie, please humour me, as it's not clear what your response meant! Is it "No" it's not some sort of local slang?
Or, "No" it hasn't made its way into a dictionary?

[Katu]

Katu, I sincerely hope you are going to consider a life in the political arena! You have a strong penchant of taking comments made by others and twisting them to suit your own perspective. It would be "unbelievable really" if you don't make use of such a talent!

Forza Katu!!

p.s. NO one "needs" to get rid of anyone to the tune of approx. 17 MILLION euro. I doubt Ferrari would literally throw that kind of money out the window. So, it's relatively safe to assume the reason would have been to get Alonso to Ferrari.

i have to say it's the first time someone suggests me that, but i'm seriously gonna consider that now when i'm on verge deciding what to study for my masters degree. thank you very much for such a lovely advice, and i got it for free, no need to contact my career adviser
however you have amazing talent knowing everything that was behind Kimi's sacking and possible rehiring now - hey you have some good mindreading abilities or very good crystal ball. i am envious.
and actually i don't twist your words, that's just how i read them

[Suzie]

Suzie, please humour me, as it's not clear what your response meant! Is it "No" it's not some sort of local slang?
Or, "No" it hasn't made its way into a dictionary?

Both.

[REDARMYSOJA]

Greig is not only a wordsmith but a trend setter ahead of the curve. We will all soon be using the word "rumoury" and it will appear in Funk and Wagnalls next edition.

[Greig]

I can take no credit for rumoury or twattle

[Nova]

Hey, talking about twattle, this is on autosports site...said it on my twattle page, so I copied this from AS...
What, are they starting to get bored already??? Talk about total doodoo..they aint gonna stop.
Im getting a bit fed up w/AS too..who do they think they are? Planetf1?
Go Felipe!!

"Raikkonen on Ferrari's radar for 2013, despite also nearing extension to Lotus deal"

[sagi58]

i have to say it's the first time someone suggests me that, but i'm seriously gonna consider that now when i'm on verge deciding what to study for my masters degree. thank you very much for such a lovely advice, and i got it for free, no need to contact my career adviser
however you have amazing talent knowing everything that was behind Kimi's sacking and possible rehiring now - hey you have some good mindreading abilities or very good crystal ball. i am envious.
and actually i don't twist your words, that's just how i read them

Brava! Sarcasm is another fine tool for a life in the political arena! Sounds to me you're well on your way to acquire the talents necessary!!
As for your "inferencing" skills, maybe the sirens in your head need to be silenced, when you read what someone else is writing?

[sagi58]

Suzie, please humour me, as it's not clear what your response meant! Is it "No" it's not some sort of local slang?
Or, "No" it hasn't made its way into a dictionary?

Both.

We obviously do not use the same dictionary; but, I am intrigued! Maybe I can borrow yours? Will I find an edition online?

[sagi58]

Why has this thread changed to a discussion about Kimi ?

It hasn't "changed" per se, after all, his name came up in "another" rumour as to who "might" replace Massa.
It seems to me we've discussed the other drivers who have been rumoured to come to Ferrari, why not him?

[Katu]

Brava! Sarcasm is another fine tool for a life in the political arena! Sounds to me you're well on your way to acquire the talents necessary!!
As for your "inferencing" skills, maybe the sirens in your head need to be silenced, when you read what someone else is writing?

you leave my siren alone!

[sagi58]

you leave my siren alone!

Uh-huh! I have my own demons to deal with!

[brembo man]

It hasn't "changed" per se, after all, his name came up in "another" rumour as to who "might" replace Massa.
It seems to me we've discussed the other drivers who have been rumoured to come to Ferrari, why not him?

Sounds good to me. While discussing possibilities, Massa with 25 points, Bruno with 1 point diff, with 25. Aaaand will definitely take team orders to be with Ferrari. Third brasilian in #2 spot. A tradition in itself. While I'm on the subject, ah what the hell, Nico 's right under Kimmi with 77pts to 116, The chin comes in with a strong 29 points . Send the chin on his way, possible private driver for Todt, and put Kimi in at Merc.

[Katu]

Uh-huh! I have my own demons to deal with!

you have gotten something very wrong - Siren is not a demon. and no, i don't care to explain

[Jas]

Domenicali hints Ferrari seeking ‘number 2′ driver
By Editor on Wednesday, August 1, 2012


Photo credit: Ferrari S.p.A.

Stefano Domenicali has warned that Ferrari is only on the market for a number two driver.

With the 2013 option on Felipe Massa’s contract running out last week, a large number of drivers have been linked to his seat for next season.

Reportedly the latest on the list is the team’s 2007 world champion Kimi Raikkonen.

“Kimi was a world champion with us and I have seen the gossip — but nothing more than that,” team boss Stefano Domenicali is quoted by the Sun newspaper.

Quotes attributed to Domenicali by the German broadcaster Sky, however, appear to play down the likelihood that Fernando Alonso will be paired with an equal next year.

“It has always been Ferrari’s philosophy,” the Italian explained, “to have a great champion and then a very good driver who is close to him.”

In effect, he is referring to the paddock perception of Ferrari’s ‘number 1 and number 2′ approach to its driver lineups.

So does that mean drivers like Raikkonen, or McLaren’s Jenson Button – both world champions – are actually unlikely teammates for Alonso in 2013?

“I think these drivers have contracts with other teams,” Domenicali answered. “And we are not in a rush.”

Number 2 or not, however, money could be a factor.

Brazilian correspondent Livio Oricchio thinks Lotus’ Raikkonen could double his estimated EUR 5 million in 2012 retainer by taking Massa’s Ferrari seat.

And according to Raymond Blancafort, writing in El Mundo Deportivo, the transaction would also work out for Ferrari, because a Raikkonen-like haul of points for Massa would see the Italian team in front in the lucrative constructors’ championships.

With Ferrari currently ranked just fourth due to Massa’s meagre tally of 25 points, the situation stands to cost Ferrari many tens of millions when the sport’s 2012 income is divvied up.

“The Brazilian at the moment is very expensive to Ferrari,” Blancafort said.

Domenicali is keen to play down the speculation for now.

“We are aligned with Felipe and we want to protect him. It is important for this championship,” he said.

[Greig]

I am sure Stefano spoke to the Sun

[Suzie]

We obviously do not use the same dictionary; but, I am intrigued! Maybe I can borrow yours? Will I find an edition online?

I said it wasn't in a dictionary. My original post made it fairly clear it was a made-up word, surely?

Aside from that, I'm not sure what that has to do with the purpose of the thread.

[Greig]

Brava! Sarcasm is another fine tool for a life in the political arena! Sounds to me you're well on your way to acquire the talents necessary!!
As for your "inferencing" skills, maybe the sirens in your head need to be silenced, when you read what someone else is writing?

Can you please stick to the topic rather than twattle about other members please, just because someone does not agree with your rumoury does not mean you have to delve into analysis of them as a person.

[aroutis]

Kimi would be a fine addition to the team if/when Massa leaves the team. He is having a great year with Lotus, looks more mature, and he's the kind of guy that won't get into politics or fights with Alonso.

So inside peace should be protected.

[Gould]

Massa is leaving. Ferrari have wasted the last 2 years waiting and have been patient enough in my humble opinion. Fernando is having to fight for the championship on his own with zero help from Felipe. 2 McLaren's, 2 RBR's and 2 Lotus's against 1 Ferrari. Time to chnage this around.