ٍExhaust gas can be problem only for tire,break and floor.
If we have cooling problem for engine that means that we changed sidepod dramatically.
I do not think we took that big risk.
Hey guys,its only a matter of 2 more days..
after that we will have all the answers...
but just reading through the forum there seems to be a lot of contradictory info..
hope we have working + reliable updates..
I Will End My Career At Ferrari...
I just hope these news are not true...and the updates work totally fine. Engine and alternator failures are now things that we cannot afford at this stage. I hope this is just downgrading the expectations but on track i hope the F2012 is flying on 26th.
Btw has Alonso reached India? any idea?
Ferrari are really pushing the Engine mapping rule...Tat thing is blowing like crazy...Maybe thats wat is creating reliabilty problems,if they solve tat they can solve the problems they are having in slow speed corners...
We're doing now what red bull did in the earlier part of the season i guess. They brought aggressive updates, reliability issues were serious, but they fixed it over time because they had the time. I don't know how much we can be sure of making these updates pose no major threat to reliability in the short time we have left. But we've come this far and we must give it our all! Happy that we're doing that really!
0.4 sec gain in laptime will not be too bad..Ferrari updates 'no great revolution' - Gene
Ferrari has travelled to India with some improvements for its 2012 car, test driver Marc Gene has revealed.
Despite admitting its wind tunnel has not always been up to scratch this year, the Italian team remains determined to fight back after Fernando Alonso lost his long-standing championship lead to Red Bull's on-form Sebastian Vettel two weeks ago in Korea.
Spaniard Gene is quoted by the EFE news agency as admitting Ferrari has brought "a number of improvements" to India, the fourth-last stop on the 2012 calendar, but insisted it does not add up to a "great revolution".
"But we do hope they help," he said.
"All the time there are less and less races, so we are doing everything to end the championship with even a single point more than second place," added Gene.
Spain's Marca newspaper said the changes to the F2012 are in the area of the exhaust, the wings and the diffuser, amounting to "between 0.2 and 0.4 seconds" per lap.
Chief designer Nicholas Tombazis confirmed Ferrari tried the improvements during a straightline track test last week, after finding that parts tested only in the wind tunnel ahead of recent grands prix brought "unpleasant surprises".
"We ran control tests on these updates to really understand what the problem was. We got some very interesting answers which we believe will allow us to recover from those problems," he said.
F1 legend Niki Lauda, however, warned that it might already be too late for Ferrari, particularly as he has heard that Red Bull has also travelled to India with some car developments.
"If that goes well (for Red Bull), then it becomes very difficult for Alonso," he told the broadcaster RTL.
I Will End My Career At Ferrari...
Gene's words are not way to promising... Because of all this hype about alleged big update for India, and in last couple of days very contradictory news, I am preparing my self not to be unpleasantly surprised come Sunday.
Anyway two more days and we will all find out where Ferrari stands.
Ok dude, because so many people are speculating about stuff which they get from unreliable internet sources, i thought you were speculating as well. Maybe you are right or maybe you are wrong. we wont know unless it comes from ferrari's mouth. I said i was just being sarcastic not an attempt to have a go at you. So if you got the info from shell, then fair enough!!! I respect your info! but i personally dont believe its true. Smedley is just a race engineer and have no say on what should and not go on the car, although he can still voice his concern. Felipe i guess can as he is driving the car so he might not agree to go a different direction which might put him back to where he was before... But why would they do this, we are behind not infront and they know red bull is fast maybe even faster than what they showed in korea, give them time they will set up the car better. Ferrari need to take risk, go for it guys!!! if we lose at least we lose in style. we could still say we tried our best and got beaten by the best. Forza ferrari. To the ferrari team if you read this GO FOR IT... FEAR has two meanings: Forget Everything And Run (Lose title with head down) or Face Everything And Rise.
cheers mate...
Nobody here knows what updates we have.
There's not been a shred of evidence since the last grand prix about what updates we've got. There's no evidence that there have been any reliability problems. And the sound you can hear in that video clip is not 'blowing'.
You're all believing rumours like they were facts, and twisting those rumours to fit your own conclusions. Rumours haven't been right all season. You're killing the development thread.
Until the weekend or until there are photos or quotes from Ferrari, we don't know what's coming, we don't know what performance improvement there might be, and we don't know how we'll compare to the competition.
Perhaps this will help a little in your questioning, See below.
Ferrari vows to go aggressive with car development
ESPN Staff
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Ferrari chief designer Nikolas Tombazis says his team will adopt an "aggressive approach" to its car development over the final four races now that Fernando Alonso has fallen behind Sebastian Vettel in the drivers' championship.
Alonso dropped six points behind championship leader Vettel at the Korean Grand Prix and has not won a race since Hockenheim in July. Tombazis believes Ferrari now has no choice but to ramp up the development of the F2012.
"As we are still in the fight for the championship, we therefore have to continue with the development of the car," he told Ferrari's website. "And because we don't currently enjoy an advantage, either in terms of performance or as far as the points situation is concerned, we cannot defend, we must attack and adopt an aggressive approach to car development for these four races, bringing updates to every one of them to close the gap and fight for the wins and hopefully bring home the titles.
"Our aim is to bring, in as short a time as possible, all the developments we have tried in the wind tunnel to see how they work, confirming their performance, so that we don't encounter the same problems as before. That way, for every race, we hope to get closer to those ahead of us so that we can fight for the wins."
Tombazis said the Ferrari had improved over recent races but the team's speed of development is now "lagging behind" its rivals. He admitted that problems correlating data from the wind tunnel with the car's performance on track had hurt, but he is confident a recent straight-line test has helped the team's understanding of the car.
"One element that slowed our progress was the difficulty we encountered in the correlation with data from the wind tunnel and that from the track," Tombazis said. "The wind tunnel can only ever be a model of what things are like in reality and can never be completely real. The data we saw in the wind tunnel did not match 100% the data we were getting from the track. We had some unpleasant surprises from some of the updates we brought to the last couple of races, so immediately, we wanted to fix that and understand where it had gone wrong.
"Therefore we have had an aero test prior to heading off to India, where we ran control tests on these updates to really understand what the problem was. We got some very interesting answers which we believe will allow us to recover from those problems and so, our aim in this forthcoming Indian GP, will be to make up the ground we have lost."
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No. The video that the article took those quotes from was posted on Ferraris website a week ago, and was posted in this thread. That info is actually the only real info we've had, but still it doesn't talk about specific updates or reliability problems.
And Medeni. We don't need to close the forum. A little bit more fact and reasoned discussion about the development of our car wouldn't go amiss though.
[QUOTE=Rosso Corsa;754852]Nobody here knows what updates we have.
Until the weekend or until there are photos or quotes from Ferrari, we don't know what's coming, we don't know what performance improvement there might be, and we don't know how we'll compare to the competition.
Hence why i pasted that article for you....
It's just less than two days... And we will know
I am sure that, if Ferrari had some decent upgrades for India and beyond, they'd be giving all the details to us and the media in advance, to allow their competitors to react...
The team will know what the gap is to red bull, too me and I no expert, 3ths would put us very close to red bull, but what areas of a track do we struggle? Is it traction and slow corners? I'm sure the updates will look to improve those areas? From the start of this thread, some people just make up rubbish and post it, the guys that source the photos and imput some useful insight are worth a read, but some of its just rubbish other people post
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