Yeah I thought he arrived a while back? of has he been on gardening leave?
Yeah I thought he arrived a while back? of has he been on gardening leave?
Forza Ferrari
Latest news say NO NEW exhaust until BCN free practice!
But it makes no sense how will they have time to do it in BCN!!!
If I remember correctly, it was the shape of the sidepods which had to be addressed first (drag issue).
And, again from what I remember reading, provided that they sort that out, they can mount the new exhaust configuration.
So what is being reported makes a lot of sense in a way.
If the digression they made in mid-testing before the start of the championship was significant, we may well see a huge gain after Mugello. I'm patiently optimistic.
I know what you mean but each team has its own way of bringing parts for testing.
We don't know where exactly the problems are, it may well be that they are absolutely confident that, once they sort one thing out, the whole rear-end will start to function.
Bear in mind that RB has been interchanging exhaust layouts between races, so perhaps the bigger deal is elsewhere in the surrounding area, and not where the exhausts themselves are.
Only the tests will tell us - and the laptimes of course!
Who says no new exhaust in Mugello? nobody will really know, if we have a new exhaust ready to test then we will see it at Mugello.
Forza Ferrari
I hope the testing bring a good improvement
If this is true then our team really finds something in those exhausts and want to keep them and pushing things this far.Jason @Crucial_Xtreme
BlogF1.it says F2012 will have outside exhaust position like at Jerez w/ modified sidepods, new FW & RW & floor.--> http://bit.ly/I2szkV
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Kudos to Crucial_Xtreme for the info.
Actually the Sauber and Red Bull solution seems to be the better one at the moment. What they do is they go in between the diffuser and the wheel, and this seals the diffuser from the side to reduce leakage. This will allow the diffuser's low pressure effect to remove more air from underneath the car.
Ferrari's solution is difficult because you cannot fine tune where the hot gas goes, and if it goes into the brake ducts or the tires, you're overheating them.
Ok got it thanks for the reply and one more thing are Ferrari going to stick to pull rod suspension at the front...
"For Montmelo (Barcelona) we have to be better. We have to stop depending on others and start depending on ourselves," - Fernando Alonso.
The team that performs well at Barcelona will have an upper hand in the championship...
In Stefano Domenicali, we have a team boss who has proved to be a leader. - Luca diMontezemelo
Test Mugello:
Day 1.: Alonso
Day 2.: Massa
Day 3.: Alonso
http://www.ferrari.com/Italian/Formu...l-mugello.aspx
We all would like to see the original design concept of the car and "acer ducts" work. However, if there is a better solution a la redbull and sauber I say we go down that direction. Otherwise we will still be "figuring out the car" well into the season. We need a car that works now, not one that in concept works and may work in a few months if we get it right.
~FORZA FERRARI~
The thing is, had we brought our acer duct system to last year for example, it would not have done us any good no matter how perfect it is. The EBD is just so effective even Ferrari's not so good system is still better than none at all. You see, sometimes a concept is just so effective there's no better alternative.
Many people did NOT predict that the exhaust can be used to seal the diffuser anymore. Ferrari's solution was kind of obvious, as Scarb did suggested it long before we saw F2012. Many people immediately assume that sealing the diffuser is no longer possible, and it was obvious with teams trying to blow the beam wing, wheel aero and so on.
Ferrari most probably (and unfortunately) did not see the possibility of it too. But McLaren, Red Bull and Sauber saw it, tried it and it seems to work. We are back to EBD. And we all know how effective it is. As someone has mentioned, not only EBD improve the efficiency of the diffuser, it allows you to run higher rake without compromising the efficiency of the diffuser.
Question is, can blowing some minor aero on the wheel be any more effective than sealing the diffuser? Had this concept not been possible this year, then of course Ferrari's concept would have the upper hand, something is better than nothing. But now that its been proven that the diffuser can be seal with the exhaust gas again, Ferrari will have to decide to quickly adept the new EBD system, or continue trying to blow the aero on the wheel.
Yeah, of course its not as effective as when compared to last year. Only the teams know at the moment how effective it is, with all the data it have.
It just worries me that since Red Bull introduce the concept back on their car, they've been improving and Vettel now have won. Adrian Newey seems to be very good at this and if Red Bull can make it work well, it could potentially be damaging... to us of course
I just hope Ferrari make the right choice whatever they choose to do.
This is a common misconception regarding the F2012, but it was getting the exhaust to the floor the same as McLaren & Sauber. People always say they were blowing the brake ducts, which is true at higher speed the same way McLaren & Sauber do. It's a slow speed corners where the exhaust gasses are going to the floor. The faster the car goes, the more the exhaust flow rises, and being that Ferrari's solution is closer to the rear tyres is why they were overheating. But the Ferrari launch exhaust was no different than the McLaren with what they were trying to achieve. Ferrari launch exhaust used Coanda Effect/Downwash effect just like McLaren & Sauber, they just did it in a different way.
Which is the best? We don't know because Ferrari never got theirs working properly. I believe we will see a modified version of the launch exhaust in Mugello or Spain and we will not try to copy another teams design. But that's just my opinion.
McLaren Exhaust: Slow speed- exhaust to floor Med-High speed- brake duct area
Sauber Exhaust: Slow speed- exhaust to floor Med-High speed- brake duct area
Ferrari Exhaust: Slow speed- exhaust to floor Med-High speed- brake duct area
All 3 solutions use both the Coanda Effect and downwash over the sidepods to direct exhaust flow to the floor
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