isnt it time they bought back the 107% rule back in f1??
it was totally unexaptable what happen to Alonso not once but THREE times he got held up by cars 7 seconds slower than him!
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isnt it time they bought back the 107% rule back in f1??
it was totally unexaptable what happen to Alonso not once but THREE times he got held up by cars 7 seconds slower than him!
sniper
woudnt that mean Alonso would not have been able to race in monaco since he was not able to qualify?Originally Posted by Ferrari_Fanatic
we're number one
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I agree totally Ferrari_Fanatic and you made a very good point ferrari4life,which is why I think spare cars should also be reintroduced!!
V I L L A G E R
I agree...
Bring back 107% rule
Bring back T-car
Bring back Refuelling
Bring back V10's
Bring back 3 element rear wings
Bring back Marlboro
Bring back rainy races
Bring back warm-up sessions
Bring back Testing
Bring back Raikkonen
Die Perd se naam is pegasus abdel kader schrikt der woestijnen van bagdad tot dakar, seun van benedictus ernius quintus magnus van nassay en irma vor schimmelpernning von appeldoorn van tahiti in die heilige eg verbind kragtens die ewige edik uitgevaardig deur keiser tertius tillius theorodus en biskop merkenzein de mont saint allegonde van die vatikan.
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Can't take credit for this, it's taken from another F1 board. This is who wouldn't have qualified this season if the 107% rule was put in place:
Bahrain: Senna (108.01%) Chandhok (199.468%)
Australia: di Grassi (107.467%) Senna (107.873%) Chandhok (107.977%)
Malaysia: Senna (107.264%) di Grassi (109.741%)*
China: All drivers within 107%
Spain: Chandhok (108.444%)
Monaco: Chandhok (107.766%) Alonso (No time)**
Turkey: All drivers within 107%
Canada: Chandok (116.846%)
So really it's mainly HRT - not Lotus, and Virgin only twice.
Forza Jules
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They are kind of stuck though. They wanted new teams, they cocked it up and now they have slow new teams. They can't stop them from racing or they will disappear again and it's back to square 1.
F1 really is dumb about itself isn't it?
"Luna faccia schiaffo testa"
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i think they need to bring it back. Plus the t-car rule and testing. Its too dangerous to have these SLOW runners trundling around the back. They will (may) course a accident with the front runners. Give them the rest season to test and get care package, plus budget togther.
CAVALLINO RAMPANTE PER SEMPRE
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I agree something has to happen, but I've never been a fan of these pre-qualifying formats or 107% rules. It might be hard to imagine but some of these "monkeys at the back" actually have fans and
how hearth-breaking would it be if you bought tickets, booked hotels, took several days off, made the journey and finally get to attend a Grand Prix only to see your favorite driver stuck in the pitbox for the entire weekend. In this aspect these would be very fan-unfriendly rules, plus they would only put struggling teams in a vicious circle (not fast enough = no entry = no sponsors = no money = no development)
sniper
And this was Max's great plan...I would have so loved to see a breakaway series.
we're number one
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The 107% rule was fine when there were lots of teams to go round. The issue is that there aren't at the moment due to the economic climate so get used to it dudes - they cant wipe out the teams they are simultaneously trying to ensure stay in the competition.
(Bernie is helping HRT remember!)
"Luna faccia schiaffo testa"
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Maybe the problem lies not with the slower teams but with inexperienced drivers? Just a thought.
Forza Jules
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some intresting reads there
i deffo aggree with bringing back the t-car but only if the team can afford it make it optional instead of complsory
someone made an intresting point about teams not making it into the race with the 107% rule because of the fans... no one was complaining when minardi kept failing to making it did they loose sponsors NO i remember them being backed by telephonica
they also need to bring back season testing this will help teams with dogs for cars or to make it intresting teams outside of the top 5 can test to make there cars better to try and catch up.
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What's Michael's excuse then?oh yeah, I remember - blunt weapons
"Luna faccia schiaffo testa"
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I just say bring back (be it limited) in season testing. So may be the new teams will then have a bit more chance to try and get up to speed a bit more quickly? The testing ban is THE single most ridiculous rule F1 has brought upon itself in decades IMO.
You try telling Premier League footballers, that from now on, to cut costs, they can't train with their clubs at all during the season. See what kind of reaction you get!
The future is RED
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totally aggree whoever said the testing ban should be in place needs shooting! maybe todd could reverse it and especially if they want to make f1 more greener shouldnt the lift the ban for teams to test new things
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Not sure if I remember this correctly, but wasnt it the case that IF a car didnt qualify for a race but would normally have been comfortably on the race pace - such as Alonso in Monaco - teams could get special dispensation to race?
Have to agree that re-introducing this rule would be a good thing - but with limited testing it would make it harder for those teams affected to develop the car and get in the time bracket.
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true, if your car is fast like the Ferrari and you can't qualify because of problems then the FIA gave you approval to start.
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By Steven English Wednesday, June 23rd 2010, 13:22 GMT www.autosport.com
The 107 per cent rule will return to Formula 1 qualifying sessions in 2011, the FIA World Motor Sport Council announced on Wednesday.
The regulation was first introduced in 1996 to ensure that no cars would be able to start a race if they were deemed too much slower than the leaders. It was scrapped at the end of the 2002 season, with the introduction of single-lap qualifying for '03.
But now that qualfying has resumed to free-running sessions and there are three new teams on the grid - with another likely for 2011 - the FIA has brought back the ruling.
A statement released by the World Motor Sport Council said: "From 2011, any driver whose best qualifying lap exceeds 107 per cent of the fastest Q1 qualifying time will not be allowed to take part in the race.
"Under exceptional circumstances, however, which may include setting a suitable laptime in a free practice session, the stewards may permit the car to start the race. Should there be more than one driver accepted in this manner, the grid order will be determined by the stewards."
The World Council also moved to eradicate slow-moving cars during qualifying sessions ruining the laps of their rivals. From 2011, a maximum time will be introduced, within which all cars will have to circulate under - even on in and out-laps.
"With immediate effect, any car being driven unnecessarily slowly, erratically, or which is deemed potentially dangerous to other drivers, will be reported to the stewards," the statement said. "This will apply whether any such car is being driven on the track, the pit entry or the pit lane.
"In order to ensure cars are not driven unnecessarily slowly on in-laps during qualifying or reconnaissance laps when the pit exit is opened for the race, drivers must stay below the maximum time set by the FIA between the safety car line after the pit exit and safety car line before the pit entry.
"The maximum time will be determined by the race director at each event prior to the first day of practice, but may be amended during the event if necessary."
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OMG! they was listening hahaha
By Steven English Wednesday, June 23rd 2010, 13:22 GMT www.autosport.com
The 107 per cent rule will return to Formula 1 qualifying sessions in 2011, the FIA World Motor Sport Council announced on Wednesday.
The regulation was first introduced in 1996 to ensure that no cars would be able to start a race if they were deemed too much slower than the leaders. It was scrapped at the end of the 2002 season, with the introduction of single-lap qualifying for '03.
But now that qualfying has resumed to free-running sessions and there are three new teams on the grid - with another likely for 2011 - the FIA has brought back the ruling.
A statement released by the World Motor Sport Council said: "From 2011, any driver whose best qualifying lap exceeds 107 per cent of the fastest Q1 qualifying time will not be allowed to take part in the race.
"Under exceptional circumstances, however, which may include setting a suitable laptime in a free practice session, the stewards may permit the car to start the race. Should there be more than one driver accepted in this manner, the grid order will be determined by the stewards."
The World Council also moved to eradicate slow-moving cars during qualifying sessions ruining the laps of their rivals. From 2011, a maximum time will be introduced, within which all cars will have to circulate under - even on in and out-laps.
"With immediate effect, any car being driven unnecessarily slowly, erratically, or which is deemed potentially dangerous to other drivers, will be reported to the stewards," the statement said. "This will apply whether any such car is being driven on the track, the pit entry or the pit lane.
"In order to ensure cars are not driven unnecessarily slowly on in-laps during qualifying or reconnaissance laps when the pit exit is opened for the race, drivers must stay below the maximum time set by the FIA between the safety car line after the pit exit and safety car line before the pit entry.
"The maximum time will be determined by the race director at each event prior to the first day of practice, but may be amended during the event if necessary."
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I think this maybe a bit of a double-edged sword - even though it will be great to see the slow cars gone and not interfering with the race leaders etc, I would be a little concerned over the fact that with such limited testing, how are those teams going to get above the 107%? HRT for example.......would there be a time when the team could view it as a waste of time trying and withdraw from F1? OK, you could argue, so what and you could argue that it would mean new teams would be of better quality from the start.............?
By Steven English Wednesday, June 23rd 2010, 13:22 GMT www.autosport.com
The 107 per cent rule will return to Formula 1 qualifying sessions in 2011, the FIA World Motor Sport Council announced on Wednesday.
The regulation was first introduced in 1996 to ensure that no cars would be able to start a race if they were deemed too much slower than the leaders. It was scrapped at the end of the 2002 season, with the introduction of single-lap qualifying for '03.
But now that qualfying has resumed to free-running sessions and there are three new teams on the grid - with another likely for 2011 - the FIA has brought back the ruling.
A statement released by the World Motor Sport Council said: "From 2011, any driver whose best qualifying lap exceeds 107 per cent of the fastest Q1 qualifying time will not be allowed to take part in the race.
"Under exceptional circumstances, however, which may include setting a suitable laptime in a free practice session, the stewards may permit the car to start the race. Should there be more than one driver accepted in this manner, the grid order will be determined by the stewards."
The World Council also moved to eradicate slow-moving cars during qualifying sessions ruining the laps of their rivals. From 2011, a maximum time will be introduced, within which all cars will have to circulate under - even on in and out-laps.
"With immediate effect, any car being driven unnecessarily slowly, erratically, or which is deemed potentially dangerous to other drivers, will be reported to the stewards," the statement said. "This will apply whether any such car is being driven on the track, the pit entry or the pit lane.
"In order to ensure cars are not driven unnecessarily slowly on in-laps during qualifying or reconnaissance laps when the pit exit is opened for the race, drivers must stay below the maximum time set by the FIA between the safety car line after the pit exit and safety car line before the pit entry.
"The maximum time will be determined by the race director at each event prior to the first day of practice, but may be amended during the event if necessary."
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I have a solution for this... if you fail to qualify for a race then you should be given one day of in season testing, this will allow the back markers to get up to speed a bit quicker.
Lord of the Pigeons no more - oh, how the tables have turned!!!
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well...i guess some prayers with regard to the 107% rule has been answered (it will be back from the next season)....but I pity the new teams .........they will be caught in the vicious circle.....less time on track due to no testing and then if they fall outside of the 107% time zone they wont be able to race (reducing their time spent on track even further) and since they have less track time they get less sponsors (even established teams seem to be finding it difficult to get sponsors eg. Sauber) and due to less sponsor less funds and hence less development and so on and so forth.........and keep in mind we might be having one more new team next year who will play catch up with the new teams of this year......oh god.....help these poor ones
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